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To: ebb tide

By your lights I guess even the Pope is not Catholic!
Here’s the issue. It’s not about adultery. If that were the case, Christ would have not extended the Divine Encounter to the much-married Samaritan woman. There are all kinds of “adultery.”
For example, Matthew 5:28 recites “But *I* say unto you, that every one who looks upon a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” And yet there is forgiveness for adultery.

The re-married Catholic cannot be denied the Divine Encounter regardless of circumstances. This is why we have annulments. The process is costly, time-consuming, and has the qualities of a trial by jury. Annulments are not just for the rich and well-connected.

We have a universal Church that extends to the peripheries of our society. The re-married Catholic cannot be told that he/she can accept the invitation to the Divine Banquet but is barred from Life-Giving Eucharistic food and be apartheid to the back of the Church. His only option then is (a) to disown the second marriage and live like brother and sister notwithstanding the fact that they may have children from this second marriage; (b) simply attend the Mass as nothing more than a ritual exercise ; or (c) be condemned to join a Protestant heretical sect that does not believe in the Holy Eucharist.

None of these options are realistic.

That you constantly keep posting stuff here that denigrates the Vicar of Christ and holds up to to ridicule any attempt at pastoral reconciliation makes me run back the question “Are you even a Catholic,” on yourself.


104 posted on 10/18/2015 3:49:05 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
The re-married Catholic cannot be denied the Divine Encounter regardless of circumstances

You write like a liberal.

105 posted on 10/18/2015 3:56:27 PM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Steelfish

“Divine encounters”

“Peripheries”

You’re spouting nonsense. And I don’t consider you a Catholic.


108 posted on 10/18/2015 4:12:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Steelfish
Here’s the issue. It’s not about adultery.

It is about the indissolubility of marriage. "Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." (Matthew 19:6) Those who deliberately disregard God's clear directive on this matter have (by their own free will) REJECTED the "Divine Encounter".

CCC 1874 To choose deliberately - that is, both knowing it and willing it - something gravely contrary to the divine law and to the ultimate end of man is to commit a mortal sin. This destroys in us the charity without which eternal beatitude is impossible. Unrepented, it brings eternal death.

111 posted on 10/18/2015 4:30:17 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Steelfish
And yet there is forgiveness for adultery.

The forgiveness for adultery is received in the Sacrament of Confession and it is only valid if one firmly resolves to live no more in a state a adultery. What you, Francis, Marx and Kaper are proposing is pure heresy.

"Living Waters"? Absolute utter nonsense!

How about the fires of Hell. Ever heard of that?

114 posted on 10/18/2015 4:35:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Steelfish

You’ve got it all wrong. The ones denigrating the office of the Vicar of Christ, are Bergoglio, Marx, Cupich, Kasper and the likes of yourself.


119 posted on 10/18/2015 4:44:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Steelfish
The process is costly, time-consuming, and has the qualities of a trial by jury. Annulments are not just for the rich and well-connected.

Almost always, no charge at all...it is helpful if you can help pay for long distance telephone, registered mail, postage and stationery....but seldom if a fee required.

139 posted on 10/18/2015 6:13:45 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL!!)
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