Posted on 10/11/2015 10:35:04 AM PDT by ebb tide
Remember what you have been taught as a Catholic and proceed with that. Do not be swayed by what you know is wrong.
bfl
Communion in the hand and female altar service were originally permitted only as exceptions to general norms of the Church, admissible only in certain countries or dioceses. But these ‘exceptions’ quickly became the de facto rule.)
The admirable ‘backbone’of the RCC in operation...
And catholics worship mary. Just as bad as abortion.
this is quite possibly the stupidest statement I’ve ever seen...
Yeah, right. Catholics don’t worship the idols of Mary, kneel before those statute and pray to them, replace the Holy Spirit’s roles with her. Nah, no worship there.
doubling down on stupid generally isn’t a good ccourse of action...
there is ONE intercessor between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
So, Hoss, if I ask others to pray for my sick relative, as I have seen many do on this very website, I am guilty of theological malfeasance...?
"Prayer" is merely "asking for something". In fact, in some languages, German for example, the words for "pray" and "ask" are the same.
I know of no Scripture verse that says a Christian can only ask for things from God. Do you know of one?
according to the Scriptures that the RCC claims to have written, there is ONE intercessor between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Except that that's not what the Scripture says. Read it in the Greek. It says that there is "one (Gk heis, one, unique, primary; not monos, one and only one) Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus". This is immediately AFTER -- read the context -- Paul commands intercessory prayer by his readers, through Christ the Mediator, and on behalf of the whole world.
If Christ is the only intercessor, that doesn't makes sense. Neither does it make sense for Paul to ask others to pray for him, which he does in several places. Neither does it makes sense for people in your church to ask for prayers, but I'll bet they do it anyway.
Neither does it makes sense for people in your church to ask for prayers, but I’ll bet they do it anyway.
It’s probably likely that ol’ Hoss has asked others for prayers sometime...hopefully he wrote a post to himself about how messed up that is...
**So instead of becoming part of authentic magisterial teaching, this new document, if it is issued, will have to be resisted and openly rejected by faithful Catholics as a monumental papal error. **
Agree with that.
No... no malfeasance. If you ask others to pray for a sick relative, and you ask them to pray to GOD ALMIGHTY, then no. If you ask them to pray to Mary, or some other saint (neither can hear you), then yes... you're asking others to practice idolatry.
Hoss
Really? How about when Jesus said:
"And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name...."
Luke 11:2a
Seems like when Jesus prayed, he prayed to The Father....not anyone else.
Besides... no one else is God.... Since God said that we are to place any gods before him, it seems to me that when we pray to anyone/anything other than God, we're putting what/who we're praying to before God and thus violating his commandments.
Except that that's not what the Scripture says. Read it in the Greek. It says that there is "one (Gk heis, one, unique, primary; not monos, one and only one) Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus". This is immediately AFTER -- read the context -- Paul commands intercessory prayer by his readers, through Christ the Mediator, and on behalf of the whole world.
You almost owed me a new laptop.... did you read what you wrote? "Heis" is one, unique, primary... Really? What does UNIQUE mean? Doesn't that mean like no other? Intercessory prayer is perfectly fine... if one prays to GOD ALMIGHTY. No one else can hear prayer.... God doesn't share his uniqueness of omniscience or omnipresence with mere created beings such as us....
If Christ is the only intercessor, that doesn't makes sense. Neither does it make sense for Paul to ask others to pray for him, which he does in several places. Neither does it makes sense for people in your church to ask for prayers, but I'll bet they do it anyway.
What doesn't make sense is what you just wrote. Intercessory prayer is fine; I've never said that was bad. I do covet prayer from others -- when they pray to GOD ALMIGHTY. They are praying for me TO GOD. He is the only one that can do anything for me! Mary can't; she's like all the others who have died and gone to heaven -- she's worshipping God. She has NO idea what goes on down here....
It doesn't make sense for Christ to be the only intercessor? Why? He is the ONE who gave his life for us on the cross; he's the only one who shed his blood for the remission of our sins. He is the only perfect person ever to exist on this earth without sin.... (and yes -- Mary was a sinner. Sorry. But she was). And why can't it make sense? God's inspired and inerrant word says it's so:
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
So... by your logic, when it says there is "one God", there is not really one and only one God... right? So, "one mediator" doesn't mean what it says? Isn't heis used in both places, once to describe God and once to describe Christ as the one intercessor? So, according to your logic, there is one unique God, but not just one and only one God....
Wow.
Roman Catholicism is really, really screwed up.
I'll be praying FOR YOU... but I'll be praying to God Almighty for you. Not wasting time on Mary or anyone else who can't do you any good.
Hoss
Really. Nice straw man.
Intercessory prayer is a wonderful thing; I pray for my family and friends -- and others who are in desperate need of the saving knowledge of the Gospel -- but I pray to God, not Mary, or other saints that are in Heaven. Did you read what I wrote? Intercessory prayer is praying to GOD ALMIGHTY.
Praying to Mary is idolatry. The only way to ask her for anything is to pray to her...
Hoss
How many times have you been told that Catholics do NOT pray TO Mary. We ask her to pray for us.
"Have to:". Speak for yourself, author. My advice: Accept no doctrinal changes subsequent to approximately 1959. Presume that any more recent alterations or innovations are diabolically inspired unless proven to be fully consistent and merely clarification of existing Catholic doctrine. "In 1960 it will become clearer".
If you don't pray TO her, how do you communicate to her your desire for her to pray for you? Really..... In order to ask her, what do you do?
If you can pray DIRECTLY to God, why do you need to go through her? Other friends and family intercede for me--DIRECTLY to God.
How do you ask Mary to do anything for you???
Prayer??
Hoss
I've wondered about that...
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Nah; He was addressing the EXISTING Catholic churches of the time.
And mighty potent ones at that!!
Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.
Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.
Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.
Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.
Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.
Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.
Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.
Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.
Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.
Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.
Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
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