[metmom]

From what catholics have told us on this board....isn't that what they believe?

Depends some on the Catholic you are talking to at the moment.

I didn't think they had the option of disagreeing with the pope who they claim is vicar of Christ.

If he is the representative of Christ on the earth, then wouldn't going against him equate to going against Jesus Himself?

[kinsman redeemer]

When I saw the following, all my original concerns were allayed.

Pope Francis delivered an unscheduled intervention in the synod yesterday morning. He instructed synod fathers that they should consider the Ordinary Synod to be in perfect continuity with the Extraordinary Synod. He told them that they were to consider only three synodal documents as formal documents of the synod; these were his own opening address at the Extraordinary Synod, the Relatio Synodi of the Extraordinary Synod, and his own closing address of that synod. The heterodox nature of the Relatio Synodi, which received the Holy Father’s personal approval, was discussed by Voice of the Family in our Analysis of the Final Report of the Extraordinary Synod.

It did, however obviously raise new questions.

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[Elsie]

I didn't think they had the option of disagreeing with the pope who they claim is vicar of Christ.

No, no!

That's MORMONs!!!

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"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."

(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

 

 

 

Reinforced here......

 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."

 

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Don't criticize?

 

Dallin H. Oaks, Mormon Apostle 

 

 

 

And here:

 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

 

 

 

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Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!

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( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )

[Elsie]

“Once the meeting is over, power will rest entirely in the hands of the Pope.”

When the Prophet speaks: the thinking has been done.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"If he is the representative of Christ on the earth, then wouldn't going against him equate to going against Jesus Himself?"

If you had a grasp of history (which I think you do, some, like all of us), you would know the limitations on that sort of statement.

To put it briefly, it's like what Pope John Paul II said in his Ordinatio Sacramentalis on a particular disputed topic:

"We declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful."

Get that? There are areas in which the Pope has no authority whatsoever. That would be (in the case above) changing the matter or form of a Sacrament, or anything else was handed down to us by Christ through the Apostles.

Hence, nothing that is against Christ could be "authoritative" coming from the Pope, or from all the Bishops and Cardinals, or from any person or organ of the Church. You know, as we do, that there have been bad popes. None of them had any authority to lead people away from Christ.

We've also had many, many reformers. I mean real reformers, not people who split.

[Montana_Sam]

The Pope is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching erroneously only on matters of faith and morals. But in those matters, he is required to speak the truth. He has the authority to change basic rules in how matters are practiced, but he has no authority, nor will the Holy Spirit allow him, to falsify the faith.