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To: Responsibility2nd
I can discern from your long post here in 194, you also believe that εἰς meant because of and not for.

Not quite. "For" can and does here mean "on the basis of" as one of its implementations in English. Doing his/her best the translator translates, the interpreter interprets, and the translator tries not to take on the task of interpreting. That is why I went back to the Greek and enunciated on what is permitted for this broad word "eis" from Wittman's "The Gospels: A Precise Translation" in its Glossary regarding the preposition εἰς, citing from The Greek Lexicon second revised version by F. Wilbur Gingrich and Frederick W. Danker, which devotes five columns to this word and its uses.

To rest your argument on the English is not a wise approach. To translate this as "so that" or "in order that" (which is what you want) is to choose a meaning in context that would not occur to the Greek-speaking brain of the first-century follower of the Jesus whose baptism of them only inducted them into discipleship. Baptism did not obtain salvation for them. Only belief in His work substituting for them did that. Actually, Peter was not converted even the night before Jesus was crucified, was he, even though he was baptized not only by John Baptiser, but by Jesus at he beginning of his training?

Now why would Peter even imagine that baptism of water would produce salvation as its effect on the spirit of the one baptized? And what if, as often seems to happen, the one baptized just walks back into his old patterns and never demonstrates conversion, but reversion. Were his sins really remitted? Does he have to be baptized again if he is to avoid the Lake of Fire? Oh, my, what a mess you have if your theory is of the Gospel. As well as losing your salvation. Etc.

You can bring up all the scholars you want, but they can never supersede the Holy Scripture, which explains itself. Remember, the primary target audience of the New Testament was the Greek-speaking Gentile, who never heard pf English. It is the context communicared in Greek of what this disciple has learned about the mind and culture of Christ that effects a correct interpretation of Peter's use of εἰς in this exclamation, not consorting to a centuries-later "scholar" who himself is prejudiced by his own viewpoint.

I'll go with the way Jesus used εἰς in Matthew 12:41 as fitting the doctrine of salvation by faith, not by works.

203 posted on 10/07/2015 9:06:32 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
I'll go with the way Jesus used εἰς in Matthew 12:41 as fitting the doctrine of salvation by faith, not by works.

I see you are making your way through this thread. By now, I hope you have read (post 198)  the 2 dozens scholars, experts, commentators and more who pick apart your one dimensional use of the word eis as it applies to Matthew 12:41.

And I hope you picked up on the comments I cut and pasted in post 201. If not - here they are again....

 

Please reconsider the Church of Christ position on baptism. To teach that is is not necessary is akin to teaching repentance is not necessary. I leave you with another cut and paste from post 198.

 

         c. Since the conjunction kai "and" joins the two commands
            together, what is said of one command applies to the other
            1) If they were to baptized "because of" remission of sins...
            2) ...then they were also to repent "because of" the
               remission of sins!
         d. This would present two problems
            1) Where else are people told to repent "because" their
               sins are already forgiven?
            2) Peter would have failed to tell them what to do to
               remove their guilt!

204 posted on 10/07/2015 9:19:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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