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Today's Canonization Of Junipero Serra: Pope Francis's Controversial Act
Breitbart.com ^ | September 23, 2015 | Michelle Moons

Posted on 09/23/2015 5:02:55 PM PDT by Biggirl

The Pope’s visit to the United States will include Wednesday’s plan to perform the first canonization on U.S. soil; the act will make controversial Spanish Franciscan priest Junipero Serra a saint. On June 25 the California Senate voted 22-10 to banish a statue of the Spanish Franciscan priest Serra that has stood in the U.S. Capitol’s Statuary Hall since 1931.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: franciscan; popefrancis; saint

1 posted on 09/23/2015 5:02:55 PM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Why is he controversial? The California Indians were NOT living in an Edenic paradise before he arrived. They fought each other in tribal wars, they had high infant mortality (as did all hunter-gatherer groups); and their lives were much improved when they learned farming and were associated into non-warring communities by the Spanish.

Of course, they didn’t get a Jeffersonian republic; but some of their much-vaunted “customs” weren’t better than what the Spanish had, and weren’t worth preserving.

(the above represents a non_PC viewpoint, and also assumes that Christianity is better than animism and shamanism)


2 posted on 09/23/2015 5:10:12 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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For the well-educated there is NO controversy.


3 posted on 09/23/2015 5:13:32 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: CondorFlight

According to some nativist American-marxists, Junipero Serra wouldn’t let the people (whom he taught farming and civilization) to speak their own language but had to learn Spanish, which they did ... only 400 years ago, but “ ... never let a good crisis go to waste ... “


4 posted on 09/23/2015 5:28:49 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: CondorFlight
Agreed that Eden was not in California then or now. But, "some of their much-vaunted “customs” weren’t better than what the Spanish had, and weren’t worth preserving." literally reeks of the same cultural hubris that the Spanish displayed in their conquest.

California's missions were also military outposts, they were also industrial/agricultural centers in need of labor and designed to export the riches believed to be abundant in the new world.

"Weren't better than what the Spanish had" suggests that you know that infant mortality etc. were no better in Madrid or London than on the Monterrey Peninsula of today's California...and I sincerely doubt that tribal wars here were even a fraction as horrendous as contemporary national and religious wars of Europe.

I guess this is a good time to ask you about your opinion of Mexican illegal immigration into the USA and muslim infiltration into Christian Europe and America today; both organized assaults on the existing culture which some say is "no better than...".

5 posted on 09/23/2015 6:47:52 PM PDT by norton
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I might also ask your opinion of the fact that "The San Miguel band of Mission Indians" is a small but quite wealthy operator of major casinos in So Cal; is that a good thing or a bad thing due to Spanish "association"?

(In my Neanderthal opinion, it sucks!)

6 posted on 09/23/2015 6:58:31 PM PDT by norton
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To: Biggirl
My maternal grandmother was a California native American, Barona Band, San Diego area, so I (literally) have some skin in the game. I'm also a student of the history of the times, so I know something of the historical context as well.

The methods used by the Spanish missionaries were necessary in order for native population to survive the colonization of California. Keep in mind that at the time Spain was not England or France. Spaniards were not that far removed from their 600 year war with the Moslems to retake Spain, and the culture was still both feudal and martial. The social structure was VERY rigid with the poor and unlanded being basically serfs. Severe punishment (including flogging) was meted out to the lower classes that broke the law or disrespected their "betters". To be a Spaniard and not be a Catholic was tantamount to treason, and only savages could not speak Spanish.

This was the situation in Spain and the missionaries transfered it to the New World. The natives were treated no better or worse than those of an equivalent social status in Spain. The missionaries knew that if the native people were not fully assimilated into the culture they were considered "savages" by the government and soldiers alike and could be wiped out with impunity.

This was the reality of the situation at the time and it was what the missionaries had to work with. To judge people of another time from hindsight of 300 years and a very different culture is to be ignorant of history and unjust.

7 posted on 09/23/2015 7:25:55 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Biggirl

Bishop-elect Robert Barron on the Canonization of Junípero Serra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mksLv7S83-Y

Interesting.


8 posted on 09/23/2015 9:49:48 PM PDT by onedoug
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