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To: JesusIsLord; avenir
What the RC church fails to acknowledge is that a secular or non-RC marriage is a legitimate marriage. The first institution was marriage - not the church, RC or otherwise. That's the point that's missed!

Okay, so secular marriage is legitimate and church definitions are not. And that would mean, in this secular country, that gay marriage is the legitimate definition of marriage, and that traditional definitions such as those espoused by various churches would be illegitimate. And, therefore if a church says that a gay couple are not married, they are then attempting to nullify a legal marriage, which is evil. Correct? Am I missing something in this secular marriage is legitimate argument?

49 posted on 09/07/2015 1:28:11 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige; JesusIsLord

“Correct? Am I missing something in this secular marriage is legitimate argument?”

If I understood JesusIsLord correctly, yes. He was speaking of that instituted by God the Father and reaffirmed by Jesus: “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”

That’s for all mankind. No, “gay marriage” is not remotely accepted by God, and yes we now have an absolute mess on our hands as a society. Not sure how we work it out when “things fall apart” (see: Yeats’ SECOND COMING).


50 posted on 09/07/2015 2:01:09 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: cothrige
Okay, so secular marriage is legitimate and church definitions are not?

No, not at all. You have it backwards. The RC church, through its annulment process (avg. $500-$1000), declares secular and non-RC Christian marriages BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN illegitimate. Frequently, the annulment serves to sanitize the petitioner's divorce thus making him/her a good son/daughter of the RC church. What a joke! Ted Kennedy had his first marriage annulled. His is an good example of the corrupt practice.

Your introduction of gay perversion is a not the issue. We can all agree that so-called gay marriage is not a marriage in any case. BTW - if you want to bring homosexuals into the discussion, you can begin by explaining why ths RC church spent and continues to spend multiple millions protecting and shielding its perverted homosexual pedophiles who are priests & bishops. If not for the statute of limitations, thousands of RC priests would be in prison.

The argument is whether a legal marriage between a man and a woman, including those that produced children, can be made null and void simply because the RC church deems it so.

51 posted on 09/07/2015 2:18:21 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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