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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
MacArthur is unfortunately quite correct. On Charismatic forums I have found proponents of Open Theism, deniers of the Trinity,..

Yet there are cults that are cessationism, but aberrations do not invalidate something, and the issue is the Biblical case.

.It’s one thing to argue that the NT supports a continuation of spiritual gifts. It’s apparently quite another thing, and an extremely difficult thing, to then demonstrate you have any of them!

Indeed the last statement is true, and i have yet to find a foretelling prophesies of any detail that can be verified as made before the event (even Michael Brown's 2004 warning of New Orleans is a warning of what could happen, and is not a certain prophecy but i see such as a holy warning written by a spiritual man sensing impending judgment).

Healings however, I know do take place as are abundantly testified to, i myself having been healed of a hernia i had for years after a humble couple prayed for me.

And rather than God taking a sabbatical, and putting the book of Acts much in a museum, we need to see God do as He ever did, as the devil does not take a rest, and Scripture for multitudes is just as foreign to them as it was to pagans in the 1st c., while the arguments against it are ever more pervasive. Christianity began due to the supernatural, and if the church is of the living God it will manifest His gifts which testify to a risen Savior.

There is always overreaction to demonic counterfeits and , MacArthur is quite incorrect in his broadbrush denial of "sign gifts," and in all that he attributes to them, and that is sad.

139 posted on 08/27/2015 7:30:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
Yet there are cults that are cessationism, but aberrations do not invalidate something, and the issue is the Biblical case.

After many years being among them, these "abberations" are, in fact, the norm among Charismatics. Sure, there are cults that are cessationists. But in your average Charismatic gathering/church, I would doubt that most of them are even saved. Your first warning sign is the existance of Charismatic Catholics who go around side by side the "Protestants."

But as for the Biblical case, are there any "Apostles" walking around? These also are said to be given to the Church, but there hasn't been an Apostle since the death of John. I know some of the Benny Hinn types claim to be Apostles, but, LOL, is my official reply.

Healings however, I know do take place as are abundantly testified to, i myself having been healed of a hernia i had for years after a humble couple prayed for me.

It's important not to confuse cessationism with a denial of miracles. The difference is that there is no one with a gift of healing healing people with their shadow as they walk by on the street. Rather, it's people praying, and their prayers are sometimes answered, and other times they are not. Just because the prayer is answered doesn't mean you can go around saying "Oh, I have the gift of healing!" It's a difference between having the gift as a special and regular part of your ministry, and the average Christian who prays and is answered.

140 posted on 08/27/2015 9:37:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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