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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Cornelius was saved when the Holy Spirit fell on him.

That's not in the Bible. Once again, that's merely your version.

So the Gentiles were saved BEFORE they were baptized, which most Evangelical churches teach today.

Okay, maybe it's not merely your version. Maybe it's what you've been taught and can't turn loose of.

Few people are able to abandon all and cling only to the Lord. They have family and friends and upbringing and other pressures holding them back. They're not worthy to be Christ's disciples (Mt. 10:34-38, Lk. 14:26-33, etc.). They're in His second group.
23 posted on 08/25/2015 5:07:23 PM PDT by LearsFool (Real men get their wives and children to heaven.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I phrased that last part poorly. I should've said:

MOST have family and friends and upbringing and other pressures holding them back. They're not worthy to be Christ's disciples (Mt. 10:34-38, Lk. 14:26-33, etc.). They're in His second group.
24 posted on 08/25/2015 5:13:21 PM PDT by LearsFool (Real men get their wives and children to heaven.)
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To: LearsFool

“Cornelius was saved when the Holy Spirit fell on him.”

***That’s not in the Bible. Once again, that’s merely your version.***

Oh yeah? HERE is how Cornelius was saved!

Ephesians 1:13King James Version (KJV)

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Eph 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

And WHAT has quickened us? The Holy Spirit which Cornelius received BEFORE he was baptized.

Ephesians 4:30King James Version (KJV)

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Again, Cornelius and family had it BEFORE he was baptized.


25 posted on 08/25/2015 6:33:07 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Never trust anyone who promotes "sensible" gun control laws!)
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