Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
It ain't MY job!
Do quotes SCARE you?
Try your Romish “Mother of GOD” on a Muslim and see the reaction!
Why won't your chosen church TELL the Muslims that their "understanding" just won't hack it!
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son.
I could have sworn that the goalposts just shifted again!
Sam is a fireman.
Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.
Only one of your syllogisms quoted above. All of them lack one thing...Dorothy, Sam, Evelyn, Gordon, and Mary were all created beings. And who created them? Yes indeed...
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
And it appears you are avoiding answering the logical syllogisms AM posted. Don't worry I saved a copy to remind you every now and then.
Just this one. I had been a lurker for several years before I registered on October 17, 2004, using my work user id as my user name. Why do you ask?
Peace,
Rich
Hey aren’t you the one that keeps posting about logical fallacies, but yet no reply. I am shocked, Shocked I tell you, that a non-Catholic chooses to willing dodge a question. /SARC
You don’t have an ‘argument’ to rebut. As the typical catholic apologist, you whine and post scriptures, often out of context, and usually at the expense of ignoring the entirety of the Bible so the catholic ‘spacial’ interpretations can be supported, specious though they often are.
Tell me which of the following syllogism are valid, and which are invalid. If you are capable of doing so, that will demonstrate that you can recognize the fallacy of the undistributed middle. If you can’t, you can’t.
A:
Dorothy is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.
B:
Evelyn is the mother of a fireman.
Gordon is a fireman.
Evelyn is the mother of Gordon.
C:
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.
D:
Mary is the Mother of God.
The Trinity is God.
Mary is the Mother of the Trinity.
Catholic sources admit there is no scriptural support for the immaculate conception.
Do catholics
a) disavow this false teaching?
b) continue to insist there is support for this false teaching?
If I may be more specific, do you believe Mary is “the mother of God” in the sense that Jesus was and is God, that Mary is His mother, and that through her, God entered the world in human form?
I ask this because it was your statement that “Mary is NOT the mother of God” that first drew me into this discussion. I could not understand how a Christian who believes in the Trinity and the dual nature of Jesus could not believe that Mary was the mother of God in the person of Jesus.
It was when I read John Calvin’s views on Mary that I think I understand why some say Mary should not be called the mother of God. What Faith Presses On wrote is very similar to what many believe are Calvin’s views. That while it is true that Mary is in a limited sense the mother of God in the person of Jesus, such language is not right, or becoming, or suitable.
Is this in line with what you believe?
Second: non-Catholic sources admit there is no scriptural support for the immaculate conception. Sola Scriptura
Do non-Catholics
a) disavow this false teaching?
b) continue to insist there is support for this false teaching?
It does not matter whether a syllogism deals with humans, angels, God, or anything else.
The terms in a syllogism are ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT to the issue of validity.
If you don’t understand that, then you have absolutely NO CLUE what logic is about. You have not understood PAGE ONE of any logic textbook.
This is your argument:
The gospel says that John was baptizing, as a sign of repentance.
Jesus came, and was baptized.
Therefore, Jesus was a sinner.
I never said baptism is mentioned in the law.
I said that John was baptizing, as a sign of repentance.
According to your premise, when Jesus was baptized, this constituted a public confession that he was a sinner.
That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
Sorry,but the catholic encyclopedia online disagrees. Scroll down to the section PROOF FROM SCRIPTURE
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture. www.immaculateconception.com
The following three syllogisms are identical in form, and all three are valid:
Dorothy is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Dorothy is the mother of a fireman.
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is the incarnate Word of God, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Mary is the mother of the incarnate Word of God, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.
Anyone who says that any one of these syllogisms is invalid because one of the terms is “God,” does not have any idea what the science of Logic is about.
In the third syllogism, the word “God” is used twice—both times in EXACTLY the same sense.
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