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To: Iscool

In every instance on this thread, you and your fellow pretribs have shewn yourselves eschatological mystics. Similar to Hymenaeus and Philetus, who were guilty of blasphemy on the resurrection, their belief on the resurrection, “profane and vain babblings,” I Tim. 1:19, 2 Tim. 2:16-18. We should learn a lesson here: if there is one thing one you don’t want to mess with its the resurrection.

EVERYTHING hangs on the resurrection, Christianity is nothing without it, Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection the basis of our salvation, the first resurrection of Rev. 20 our eschatological hope. So vital, the word has an entire chapter dedicated to it (1 Cor. 15).

If there is one thing you better get right, worse than Texas, if there is one thing you better not mess with its the first resurrection. But here comes the pretribs, rushing in where angels fear to tread.

Heresiologists like Irenaeus tells us the mystic types, whom he termed gnostics, held to esoteric “knowledge,” what they “knew” was superior to what the word of God SAYS. They didn’t care what the scripture actually SAID, they went ahead and read into scripture their theories, their inferences. Instead of letting the word of God be superior, letting it correct them, they held their esoteric inferences superior.

A former pretribber myself, and having had numerous encounters with pretribs over the years, like on this thread, I am convinced that pretrib is a form of estoteric mysticism, a kind of gnosticism. They hold to beliefs superior to what the word actually SAYS. Like the gnostic mystics, you refuse to let passages like Rev. 20:4 correct you.

You mystic fellows make great sport out of passages like Rev. 20:4, twisting it to your own destruction, but its going to have the last word.

With that, I take my leave from this thread.


636 posted on 07/30/2015 8:23:37 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

I doubt it. You cannot resist the urgings ...


637 posted on 07/30/2015 8:29:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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Rev 19: The Marriage of the Lamb

6 I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders, saying, "Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns!

7 Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and let us give the glory to him. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready." 8 It was given to her that she would array herself in bright, pure, fine linen: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

The Marriage is come , in Heaven, and there are guests being brought in to the marriage of the lamb. But be it known to all, no one, not a single soul, will be in Heaven except by the salvation by the blood of the lamb as the atonement and assigning of righteousness, HIS righteousness for them. The Bride has made ready IN HEAVEN. The guests tot he wedding are coming up to Heaven out of the Tribulation.

Rev19:9 He said to me, "Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'" He said to me, "These are true words of God." 10 I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."

The Rider on the White Horse

NOW comes the return of Christ to the Earth, after the events in Heaven with the Bride and the invited guests. What are left on Earth are a remnant who would not take the mark of the beast and would not worship the beast, and a vast array of those who did take the mark and are worshiping the beast. They are the hardened hearts who now receive the final wrath. A big clue as to whom are the 'armies in Heaven' is the following verse: "The armies which are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in white, pure, fine linen." This is the garment of the wedding which has taken place IN HEAVEN. These armies are then Bride and the Guests at the wedding, along with Angels. But the 'white, pure, fine linen is from the wedding! Refer back to verse 8 above ...

Rev19:11 I saw the heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it is called Faithful and True. In righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has names written and a name written which no one knows but he himself. 13 He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called "The Word of God." 14 The armies which are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in white, pure, fine linen. 15 Out of his mouth proceeds a sharp, double-edged sword, that with it he should strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He treads the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 He has on his garment and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

The harvests have come to the harvest of grapes of His wrath and the winepress. The Barley harvest brought the True Church of Jesus Christ out from the earthly realm to the place He has been preparing for Her. The wheat harvest has applied the tribulum, to crush out the harvest of wheat from the tough stalks. These are they who come out of the tribulation and have salvation by crying out to The Christ and have the Blood of the Lamb accounted to them and are guests at the wedding. These 'armies of believers', as a Bride and the wedding guests, return with Christ to harvest the grapes of wrath of God upon those who refuse still to trust in and believe in The Christ as the ONLY source of righteousness for eternity.

Defeat of the Beast and False Prophet

Rev19:17 I saw an angel standing in the sun. He cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the sky, "Come! Be gathered together to the great supper of God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, and small and great."

19 I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him who sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 The beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who worked the signs in his sight, with which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword of him who sat on the horse, the sword which came forth out of his mouth. All the birds were filled with their flesh.

The key to unlocking God's message for us is to understand that there are saints from different ages, different dispensations. The Saints of the Old Testament and the Saints from the Church Age, and the Saints from the Tribulation are three different groups, but all have Salvation by faith in the blood of the Lamb, Jesus The Christ. what differentiates these different groups of Saints is the Way the blood is accounted for them righteousness. During the Church Age, no animal sacrifices are being made to show faith in the blood atonement. The Saved are believing in His Sacrifice for them.

In the OT, the animal sacrifices were the outward sign of faithing in His promise for atonement. During the Church Age the bow of the human will to the indwelling Holy Spirit given upon being born from above is the outward sign of faith in God's Promise. The Bible tells us that 'in that day I will write my commandments upon their hearts'. The Church Age is THAT DAY.

Yes, there will be a huge number of wheats harvested during the Tribulation period. But eventually it will be a field with so little wheat to harvest that only at the end will the tares be harvested out of the field so the remaining wheats can be harvested. The Angels will be sent forth to harvest the tares and bind them. These are the ones who refuse even after all the wrath supernaturally poured out upon the Earth. These are harvested by the Angels and bundled and cast into the fire. The remaining wheats go into the Millennium and have children even, during the thousand year reign of Christ ON EARTH.

639 posted on 07/30/2015 9:23:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: sasportas
A former pretribber myself, and having had numerous encounters with pretribs over the years, like on this thread, I am convinced that pretrib is a form of estoteric mysticism, a kind of gnosticism. They hold to beliefs superior to what the word actually SAYS. Like the gnostic mystics, you refuse to let passages like Rev. 20:4 correct you.

But you didn't say anything, except that I'm wrong...The wedding of the bride and groom takes place in chapter 19 before the resurrection in chapter 20...EXPLAIN THAT!!!

I'm willing to change my view if someone has the evidence to back up another position but all you guys have got is ONE verse...And it's in the wrong timeframe...

644 posted on 07/30/2015 9:38:56 AM PDT by Iscool
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