Posted on 07/21/2015 3:54:04 AM PDT by JPX2011
ROME – This morning, Pope Francis formally announced Father Robert Barron's appointment as auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
Bishop-Elect Barron is the founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries, host of the award-winning CATHOLICISM film series, and since 2012 has served as the Rector/President of the University of Saint Mary of the Lake/Mundelein Seminary outside of Chicago, IL.
His website, WordOnFire.org, reaches millions of people each year. His regular YouTube videos have been viewed over 13 million times. Next to Pope Francis, he is the most-followed Catholic leader on social media.
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No, but he is teaching heresy. So, yeah, not such an absurd comparison afterall.
Of course he is teaching heresy.
I apologize for the delay in my reply. I've only been out of the hospital a couple of days, and have been overwhelmed much of the time with fatigue.
Of course, any muslim that is saved has at least an implicit desire for baptism.
The point is, if we are able to conceive of ways that God provides the graces, the repentance, the conversion, for any individual to be saved, even as he lay dying, then the possibility may exist that God did this for every soul. Campion expressed this better than me:
“I don't know about ‘reasonably,’ but if you can hope for the salvation of any particular person, you can hope for the salvation of all such ‘particular persons,’ and thus for all.”
It is unlikely (at least in my view), but one does not need to think one’s hopes are particularly likely to be realized in order to have them.
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So you agree with Father Barron that Hell could be empty. That is heresy.
I don't think it's heresy.
I think Fr. Barron hopes Hell is empty. I don't know whether or not he thinks it could be.
As for me, I certainly hope that all men are saved, as this is the desire of God, and I don't feel that I should hold a hope contrary to the desire of God. But I don't know whether or not Hell might be empty of human souls. It is not empty altogether. We know that there are many fallen angelic beings who occupy Hell. Whether any human souls wind up there is beyond my capacity, beyond my intellect.
If you ask, "Do you THINK no human souls are in Hell," the answer to that question is, "No." Sadly, I think it's more likely than not that Hell has a population of human souls. But I hope I'm wrong.
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Fr. Robert Barron on Whether Hell is Crowded or Empty
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"...In fact, examination of Balthasar’s theology reveals that his doctrine is largely original to him. Although he generally attempts to present it as a rereading of historical sources, one finds he ignores or rejects the most widespread and authoritative of such. His selected pre-Reformation sources generally are ambiguous, open to readings consistent with the tradition, not authoritative, or used not only out of context but also against their context. The source with most telling influence on Balthasar is Adrienne von Speyr, a woman under his spiritual direction and a convert from Protestantism, while the seminal idea that Christ suffered in some way during his descent may be traced back to Nicholas of Cusa and the doctrinal heirs of his proposal, Martin Luther and especially John Calvin..."
“Even an atheist who is sincerely following his conscience can be saved. The point is this: the more deeply you understand conscience and its implications, the more you’ll be drawn to God!”
Sound familiar? No wonder he was promoted to Bishop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm_j7kzcpjk
And didn't you know? To say the Catholic Church is the "One True Church" is annoying! The Catholic Church never taught that "we're right and everybody else is wrong"!
God save us from these frauds.
An attempt, perhaps, to leverage his name recognition? It will be interesting to see if his next videos promote the recyclical and open borders.
No, I’m pretty sure this is something he said awhile ago.
Sitetest,
Quick question, if you don’t mind.
Do you believe the Fatima childrens’ visions of Hell, provided to them by Our Lady, Queen of Heaven, are false or exaggerated?
From the “Devil’s Final Battle”:
And then, on July 13, 1917, the Lady had shown them something which would terrify them and change them forever, making them into saints who would spend their lives (in the case of Francisco and Jacinta, very brief lives) praying and making sacrifices for sinners. As Lucy recounts in testimony the Catholic Church has deemed worthy of belief, the Lady showed them hell:
She opened Her hands once more, as She had done during the two previous months. The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw as it were a sea of fire. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls [of the damned] in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. (It must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons could be distinguished [from the souls of the damned] by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals.2 This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, Who had already prepared us by promising, in the first apparition, to take us to Heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.3
Bona fide member of the modernist club. Their propaganda machine is at full throttle, with Fr. Barron doing his part.
Here is Father Barron promoting Laudato Si' (barf alert).
"...Since we are all coming forth here and now from the same creative source, we are all ontological siblings -- if I can put it that way. In Francis' language -- brother sun and sister moon..." FR. BARRON ON POPE FRANCIS' NEW ENCYCLICAL ''LAUDATO SI''
Illuminating book.
Heresy?
I didn’t know you were the Grand Inquisitor.
The Syllabus of Errors often doesn’t mean what it seems to mean on the surface of things. Even Pope Pius IX acknowledged that.
Cardinal Newman said further that the Syllabus has no dogmatic force.
Why do you defend St. Thomas Aquinas, who by your account seemed to deny the Immaculate Conception?
Why not extend the same charity to Fr. Barron.
The Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the Church. It was not proclaimed ex cathedra at the time of Aquinas, but still it was held to be true by almost all devout Catholics.
The dogma that we can not hope that all men are saved does not exist. We must believe that Hell exists, that the Devil and the fallen angels are in Hell, and that anyone damned to Hell will stay there for all of eternity. But there is no dogma that a human being is or will be damned to Hell. It might be implied by Christ’s words to Judas, but it is not dogma.
So it seems you should be much harder on Aquinas than on Fr. Barron. Aquinas disagreed with a dogma of the Church, which is far worse than what Fr. Barron did, even if you are right about everything else.
Please do share more on what Pius IX acknowledged.
Cardinal Newman said further that the Syllabus has no dogmatic force.
Any yet all Catholics are bound to accept it. See post 65.
It seems as if there are many on this forum who belong to the same club. And they love it and defend it.
Really? That's not how I read it.
Did St. Thomas deny the dogma of the Immaculate Conception?
...At least this much is certain, St. Thomas ended his life leaning much closer to a belief in the Immaculate Conception and was convinced that our Lady received a singular grace in being free from all sin, both actual and even original sin. Therefore, it is ridiculous and quite unfair (not to mention uncharitable) for people to claim that St. Thomas denied the dogma of the Immaculate Conception."
Why not extend the same charity to Fr. Barron.
Since when is it "charitable" to silently acquiesce to public attacks on Tradition by a media priest? In Fr. Barron's video on hell, he tosses the theology of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas (both Doctors of the Church) out the window and then establishes a false dialectic between Origen (the flip-floppingest Church Father) and Karl Barth (not even a Catholic) in order to be able to make the claim that Balthasar "has it pretty much right". Fr. Barron would have us believe that Adam is a poetic figure, and that hell is a spatial/visual metaphor, yet he treats an obvious use of poetic license ("brother sun", "sister moon") as a factual statement, going so far as to ridiculously classify us as "ontological siblings" of inanimate objects. Even a five year old wouldn't buy into that tortured characterization.
Fr. Barron's teachings are not in line with Catholic Tradition. Charity demands that priests not be given a free pass to mislead the faithful by promoting their own personal opinions as fact.
He is not denying Hell. He is not denying that any human being is in Hell. He is simply stating that it is possible to hope that no human being is in Hell.
Fr. Barron is not saying Hell is only a metaphor. Of course, if you think this, you would think of him as a heretic.
I don’t have further time for this as you are clearly misrepresenting Fr. Barron.
"Don't interpret it literally!" Right?
This is why the Catholic Church is finally dying before our eyes. Its reduction of the Hebrew Bible to a chrstological "allegory" led inevitably to a rejection of the literal historical data it contains and thus to higher criticism and evolutionism (two Protestant creations that are now considered virtual dogmas of Catholicism).
Conservative Catholics for whatever reason seem mentally or emotionally or spiritually unable to understand this. Their constant defenses of the "conservatism" of a Church that insists the Written Word of G-d is historical fiction is doomed to achieve nothing.
Defend Genesis or shut up.
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