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To: MHGinTN

The attitude many here have of a bunch of Catholics and Mormons that will be misled into believing in another Jesus Christ than the “Real” Jesus Christ is just plain silliness.

Whether or not the Catholics or Mormons practice a “true” Christianity is a non argument. They worship Jesus Christ therefore they are Christian. They may indeed be misled by their leaders about some facet of the Gospel but they strive to the best of their ability to follow Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Basically The Lord has said if they aren’t against Us they are for Us.

There will be a day when we will have surprises maybe the Mormons and Catholics will have a good share of those surprises but they won’t be surprised when they come face to face with their Savior and see the prints of the nails in His hands and feet, they will know Him as He will know them.


19 posted on 07/16/2015 8:43:35 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
Do you know what is the True Gospel of the New Covenant Jesus instituted at the Last Passover Seder before His crucifixion? ... I've asked that of so many catholics and they don't know it, so I will share it now:

God wants to put His Life in the believers, so, believe on Him Whom God sent to be Savior and Lord in the now, and God will right then cleanse you from all unrighteousness and put His Holy Spirit seal in you to raise the born from above in the Way that they should go. Eternal life is a now thing, not in some future hallmarked by striving to obtain eternal life. The thing that prevents God form putting His life in us is our unwillingness to believe He does it all and we just say thank you Lord Jesus and let God be God in us.

The catholic Mass mocks the blood of Jesus Christ. His shed blood is not magically transubstantiated into a wafer in the hands of a catholic priest on catholic altar. It was much too precious for such pagan ritual. Mocking the Blood of The Savior is a very very risky business and risks God saying someday 'I never knew you'.

Why is the catholic Mass mocking the blood of Jesus? ... It asserts that you must eat His body, blood, soul and DIVINITY to have His life in you --that's a works based belief system, believing you can do something often enough to earn eternal life-- and using as a pagan idol worshipping feeding on the spiritual meaning of His blood shed for the remission of your sins contradicts what He used His blood to accomplish for you on the Mercy Seat above the laws of sin and death.

Jesus instituted a remembrance of His work, not ours. catholiciism is a works based religion. It does not lead to eventual eternal life because ONLY the work of Jesus in cleansing and sealing results in eternal life during this New Covenant.

21 posted on 07/16/2015 9:08:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: JAKraig
Whether or not the Catholics or Mormons practice a “true” Christianity is a non argument. They worship Jesus Christ therefore they are Christian.

So are JW's gonna lose out?

40 posted on 07/17/2015 5:04:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
They worship Jesus Christ therefore they are Christian.

So can ANYONE put the name 'Jesus Christ' on their door and get in Heaven?

42 posted on 07/17/2015 5:05:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig; teppe; WilliamRobert; StormPrepper; Normandy
Whether or not the Catholics or Mormons practice a “true” Christianity is a non argument.

Luckily; I do not have to judge their hearts; but I DO have to post some FACTS!


What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

 
 
 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


43 posted on 07/17/2015 5:07:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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