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To: daniel1212

If you accept the 27 books of the NT you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church determined what books would go in the NT and a Catholic Pope canonized the Bible you read. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Deny it till hell freezes over but it’s fact.


55 posted on 07/04/2015 8:33:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

“If you accept the 27 books of the NT you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church determined what books would go in the NT and a Catholic Pope canonized the Bible you read. Now put that in your pipe and smoke...”

It’s been re examined and errors corrected since those days.


56 posted on 07/04/2015 8:41:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: NKP_Vet
Actually, it is God who determined which books of His Word would be in the Bible He has provided for US. The arrogance of believing an institution established by men is the author of the Bible , even as just making the choices over the epistles to be included at once removes the Truth that God is the author and finisher of our faith. And therein is another prick for the catholic heart: God is both the author and finisher of His Word, nit the Catholic word, AND He still releases spiritual power through His Word contained in the volume of the book. Why, you might ask? ... Because Jesus has told us: Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

If the question burbles up in your mind, 'so what is the will of God that Jesus came to do? Well, Jesus anticipated that one, too, and answered in several places:

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jon 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn't believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

1 Corinthians 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The Gospel of God's Grace in Christ Jesus for you and me is this, That God sent His Son to be with us (Emmanuel), so that any who believe on Him will be immediately born from above, have everlasting life, thus have God's Life in them, raising them up in the Way that they should go as a family member of Jesus The Christ, for Jesus is building His Church, the Spiritual Church having members who are the temples of the Living God in them, fashioned as The Bride of Christ and therefore the Body of Christ. And with that, read I Thess 4:13-18 to see what Jesus will soon be doing for/with His Bride.

73 posted on 07/05/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: NKP_Vet; aMorePerfectUnion
If you accept the 27 books of the NT you accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church determined what books would go in the NT and a Catholic Pope canonized the Bible you read. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What manner of absurd reasoning is this? You have been corrected on this before and repeating it simply make you look even more ridiculous. Do you really think that agreeing with an entity on some things necessarily means that you affirm them as authoritative? And to be submitted to in all other such judgments, which must be the conclusion of your logic if it is to have any polemical weight. Do you realize where that logic leads to?

Be assured, I may concur with the judgments of someone but it does not follow that i must hold them as authoritative, much less to be submitted to them in all other such judgments.

Deny it till hell freezes over but it’s fact.

Rather, though largely established, there simply was no indisputable canon until after Luther died, thus scholarly doubts and disagreement continued down thru the centuries and right into Trent over which books were canonical, until Trent provided the first infallible decree on the canon of Scripture. Deny it till hell freezes over but it’s fact .

In addition, rather than Prot concurrence on the NT was no more a recognition of the authority of Rome than for the OT canon, as instead, they did not recognize any authority of Rome to set this, but held the latter as fallible, and their concurrence was due to recognizing both men and writings of God essentially due to their enduring Heavenly qualities and affirmation. Which is what souls did before Rome ever presumed that she was essential for men and writings of God to be recognized as such. And which is how the NT actually began, contrary to the Roman model. Deny it till hell freezes over, but it’s fact

Once again your attempt to defend Rome with your Roman reasoning is an argument against being an RC.

83 posted on 07/05/2015 10:27:48 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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