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The Vortex—Star-Spangled Heresy
churchmilitant.com ^ | July 3, 2015 | by Michael Voris

Posted on 07/04/2015 12:23:13 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Mark17
From http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history

One of Wycliffe’s followers, John Hus, actively promoted Wycliffe’s ideas: that people should be permitted to read the Bible in their own language, and they should oppose the tyranny of the Roman church that threatened anyone possessing a non-Latin Bible with execution. Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe’s manuscript Bibles used as kindling for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.” Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention (a list of 95 issues of heretical theology and crimes of the Roman Catholic Church) into the church door at Wittenberg. The prophecy of Hus had come true! Martin Luther went on to be the first person to translate and publish the Bible in the commonly-spoken dialect of the German people; a translation more appealing than previous German Biblical translations. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs records that in that same year, 1517, seven people were burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for the crime of teaching their children to say the Lord’s Prayer in English rather than Latin.

141 posted on 07/06/2015 2:27:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
One of Wycliffe’s followers, John Hus, actively promoted Wycliffe’s ideas: that people should be permitted to read the Bible in their own language

I have a Wycliffe commentary that I like rather well. BTW, I have also been to a museum in Mainz, Germany, and I saw Gutenberg's Bible. It is under glass, so no one can touch it, but I saw it with my own eye balls.

142 posted on 07/06/2015 3:44:43 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thy goodness faileth never. Good shepherd may I sing thy praise, within thy house forever. Amen)
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To: Mark17

Well; get yer GED all you want; but I highly recommend that you do NOT get GERD!


143 posted on 07/07/2015 5:55:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
One of Wycliffe’s followers, John Hus, actively promoted Wycliffe’s ideas: that people should be permitted to read the Bible in their own language, and they should oppose the tyranny of the Roman church that threatened anyone possessing a non-Latin Bible with execution.

HATER!!!


144 posted on 07/07/2015 5:56:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Well; get yer GED all you want; but I highly recommend that you do NOT get GERD!

I don't think I will get gored either. I am not into global warming. 😂

145 posted on 07/07/2015 6:23:09 AM PDT by Mark17 (Thy goodness faileth never. Good shepherd may I sing thy praise, within thy house forever. Amen)
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To: Elsie

Yes, old cow, I do hate. Jesus hates, too. It’s the same object of hate, blasphemy and heresy which prevent people from trusting that God has Promised they will be immediately and forever born into His family by believing in Christ Whom God sent for their Salvation. I hate it when they do that, those Nicolaitans with magic wafers or the ones with magic undies, just hate that stuff.


146 posted on 07/07/2015 6:43:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mark17
Hey...maybe you're a poet and don't know it! (But your feet sure show it...they're Longfellows.) 😁
147 posted on 07/07/2015 7:06:12 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

I thought it was ‘toes’??


148 posted on 07/07/2015 7:34:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; boatbums; MHGinTN
I thought it was ‘toes’??

My toes are longfellows too? Actually, I think we are more into Limericks than poetry, right Els? We are all haters. We hate the world, the flesh and the devil. Oh yes, we hate false religions too, and there are a ton of them out there. 😂😇😎😱😀

149 posted on 07/07/2015 9:44:18 AM PDT by Mark17 (Thy goodness faileth never. Good shepherd may I sing thy praise, within thy house forever. Amen)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; daniel1212

V2 was an ecumenical council and as such is considered to be infallible ...

and like it or not it was infallible in the matters of faith and morals for Roman Catholics


150 posted on 07/07/2015 1:15:21 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Morgana; All
FWIW, the title of the Voris piece is also the title of a book that lays out a brief history of the heresy of Americanism in the US.

The Star-Spangled Heresy: Americanism
by Solange Hertz

151 posted on 07/07/2015 3:25:11 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: RnMomof7
Only solemn definitions regarding faith and morals are infallible -- an ecumenical council is by no means infallible in and of itself, simply by merit of being an ecumenical council.
152 posted on 07/07/2015 4:12:17 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; RnMomof7
V2 was an ecumenical council and as such is considered to be infallible ...

Only solemn definitions regarding faith and morals are infallible -- an ecumenical council is by no means infallible in and of itself, simply by merit of being an ecumenical council.

Wyrd bið ful aræd is correct that being ecumenical does not mean a council is infallible, though to be infallible it must be an ecumenical one and confirmed by the pope.

However, what is wrong, as shown here , is the belief that non-infallible ecumenical conciliar and public papal teachings do not require religious assent, as non-definitive, ordinary teaching requires "ordinary assent," that being "religious submission of will and intellect," submission of mind and will," which "forbids public contradiction of the teaching," as described here .

Which unlike "sacred assent," "theological faith," “divine and Catholic faith” which infallible teaching requires, allows for internal disagreement, but not public dissent.

And that social teaching which is based on RC faith and morals requires ,religious assent, and that the popes last encyclical is presented as being such, has also been shown (see links), despite insistence that it does not even have anything to do with Catholic faith at all.

153 posted on 07/07/2015 6:46:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Morgana

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154 posted on 07/19/2015 10:37:24 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Voris errs in conflating one form of government (republicanism) with heresy versus his ideal, which happens to be monarchism, in order to make his ideal the only moral option

Well said, and your response, in general was cogent.

Basically, a Catholic monarchist strives to disparage the Enlightenment, an essential underpinning of the American Revolution, even blaming it for the murderous Terrors of the French Revolution!

Pretty incoherent stuff. This guy is grasping at straws. The fact that there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment in the colonies at the time of the Revolution does not, in the broader analysis, support to this guy's rather expansive and whimsical thesis.

155 posted on 07/19/2015 10:54:47 PM PDT by sargon
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