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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't deny the Rapture. I'd say Mary was definitely Raptured. :o)

You have absolutely no Biblical evidence of that. Only the doctrine of assumption of Enoch and Elijah can lay claim to that

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Cor. 15:22 AV).

All must die. Enoch and Elijah have yet to die the natural death. Even Jesus had to die because of sin. All beings having Adam's flesh DNA must die. Mary died. Her flesh body is dead.

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb 9:27,28 AV).

Her earthly body is in the grave. Though especially blessed, she needed a Savior (Lk. 1:47).

The only assumption we can rely on is that her soul and spirit that constitute her personality is in heaven, longing for the sinless body yet to come. Mary will get hers when every other regenerated saint does, and that is when we go to meet Him in the clouds.

Nobody, repeat nobody, except Jesus, has yet donned the new sinless, bloodless spiritual body.

676 posted on 07/05/2015 2:25:11 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
The same word found in 1Thess4, harpazo, is found describing how Philip was caught away after baptizing the Ethiopian. The snatching away is not anywhere in scripture used to refer to Mary. That same 'snatching away' is used in several old and new testament places however, so we might conclude that 'harpazo' is a process used with the living, not with the Mother of Jesus as Catholicism has misapplied it.

Acts 8:39 hērpasen ἥρπασεν carried away

1 Thess 4:17 harpagēsometha ἁρπαγησόμεθα will be caught away

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The Jewish Scholars who made the Septuagint translation ,IIRC, used the same Greek word form for the Enoch catching away and the Elijah ride away in the firy chariot.

678 posted on 07/05/2015 4:26:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: imardmd1
Bloodless?

Nobody knows exactly how the glorified, resurrected body operates (like, after His resurrection, Jesus ate fish. But did He digest it?) but since he appears in John's Revelation, as a Lamb upon the throne, "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world," I'm assuming He can take any shape He wants and be in any time He wants. And since He walked through locked doors, I'm assuming he has what the philosophers call "subtlety." which means the ability to pass through things.

Completely transcending the laws of physics and biology and chemistry, outside of the bounds of space and time, yet ever-present in an eternity where all time is Now.

"And God will be all in all."

Even as man, He made blood all His life, just as we do, even from the time He was an embryo. So I'm thinking if He were bled dry, koshered, if He wanted to have blood, he could have made more blood. That would be easy-peasy. He could look like a Lamb if He wanted to. He could look like the Sun if he wanted to. Myself, personally, I don't assume He wanted to look like a corpse.

717 posted on 07/06/2015 11:29:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you mean now?" -- Yogi Berra, when asked for the time.)
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