Posted on 07/01/2015 7:13:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
There ya go. Exactly.
Greek is a very specific language
John 12:32 if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."
Word Origin a prim. verb
to drag NASB Translation
drag (1), dragged (2), draw (1), draws (1), drew (2), haul (1).
That is in the passive voice.. meaning the object is passive in the action
By Catholic teaching, what must a sinner do to obtain this incorporation, and when does it occur?
Huh? What's in the passive voice? And a grammatical object has to be a noun, pronoun or other substantive -- nouns, etc. don't have a voice, only case, number and/or gender . . .
ἑλκύσω
will draw
Theosis is not a belief that is commonly held in Protestantism.... It tends to be an EO doctrine clouding the Creator/creature distinction.....Mormons look to become gods ......
We look to sanctification ... the process of growing more Christ like...one more time..Christ in you the hope of Glory ..
For me the purpose of life is not to become god.. but to glorify God and then to enjoy Him forever
and I, if I am lifted up from the earth, all will draw to myself, John 12:32
This moreover he said, signifying by what death he was about to die. John 12:33
Here is the World English rendering of the Greek< And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." 33But he said this, signifying by what kind of death he should die.
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By Catholic teaching, what must a sinner do to obtain this incorporation, and when does it occur?
You don't think this refers to universal salvation, do you?
And the save verb (same in the LXX, which is Greek) is used here:
Hosea 11:4
"I drew them with human kindness, with loving bands. I acted toward them like one who removes a yoke from their neck; I bent down and fed them."
Check out the verb which can be translated "led" as well as "drew," and in this context it's rather far from the meaning of knocking somebody down and dragging them by the hair, and rather closer to the meaning of gently leading by the hand, as one would a child. There's a sense of guidance but not of coercive force.
“Will draw” is active voice.
In English, it sure is.
Tell me about grammatical objects in the passive.
History shows this to be completely true. Is there evidence to the contrary? I know I would love to see it.
Looks like it in Greek, too.
Not sure what you mean by this. Christ doesn't become "part" of my body, I become part of His body.
You needn't go beyond what Paul says (repeatedly,and quite evocatively) about us being members of His body (which is, precisely, incorporation) as well as what Peter says about us participating in the divine nature.
This isn't what the Mormons are talking about. They are not, as I understand it, monotheists; they believe in as many gods as there are inhabited planets. (I don't want to misconstrue them, take with a grain of salt, I am no expert on Mormon doctrine.) But as I understand it, they become 'gods.' They do not participate in the divine nature of the One God, which is a union through love, not by a multiplication of 'gods'.
Sorry, I have to duck out now. I'm still in the midst of a big writing project.
My Greek is not honed to perfection and I'm an old codger, so I hope that has some meaning for you.
That link is to hebrew not Greek
That is a metaphorical body ...not the physical /spiritual body ...on the other hand He promises to indwell the saved ...... He will never leave us.. He lives in me..
Have you read all of those links, including the page two list? Are you in agreement with what these assert regarding the efficacy and essential nature of baptism, as defined by the Catechism?
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