Posted on 06/28/2015 10:27:13 AM PDT by LouAvul
Check out some of the Presbyterians too.
Catholics have never, never, endorse homosexuality or same-sex marriage.
Catholics have never, never, endorsed homosexuality or same-sex marriage.
I don’t think I saw Mennonite on the list. Indeed the Mennonite churches are splitting due to the homosexuality issue. At least our area churches are.
“Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” Luke 12:51
All my Methodist cousins are gay gay gay all the time. They love the sin. It is so special. full on hedonism is in. They are all gods unto themselves.
>>All my Methodist cousins are gay gay gay all the time. They love the sin. It is so special. full on hedonism is in. They are all gods unto themselves.
I agree. Wesleyan theology worked from the 18th century to the first half of the 20th because western civilization was strongly Christian and it could afford the inherent weakness of Arminianism. But that weakness today is just an excuse to claim that anything is “Christian” (like two men marrying).
When I fled the UMC, I didn’t go looking for something close but just a little more conservative. I ran as far from Arminian theology as I could.
I missed that, too. Did somebody say it was?
"... and I also missed the Orthodox Jewish “leaders” that “approve homosexual practice"
I messed that, too!
(Funny, the two of us missed two things that neither of us saw nor said. How often does that happen?)...
I said there are Orthodox Jewish leaders who break their own religious laws, men who bring shame upon their faith community by violations of its moral code.
I don't like to expose such things, but some of them are in the public record. For example, Rabbi Alan J. Shneur Horowitz, convicted and sentenced to 10 - 20 years in prison for sodomizing a nine-year-old psychiatric patient. Horowitz is an Orthodox rabbi, magna cum laude, M.D., Ph.D. A graduate of Duke University, and was a writer for NAMBLA North American Man/Boy Love Association.
Less egregious, perhaps, is this one:
Five Reasons Being an Orthodox Rabbi Compelled Me to Support Gay Marriage by Rabbi Shmuly Yanklowitz. "I am coming out of the closet. I am an Orthodox rabbi and an advocate for gay marriage. I am pro-gay-rights because I am an Orthodox rabbi..."
Etc. etc. Huffington Post.
I of course do not blame Orthodox Judaism for this, any more than I would blame any other honorable religious group for the flagrant misbehavior of its members.
Really? That’s your reply when you were answering this question:
“Which corporate “Christian” groups had already embraced homosexuality?”
Not officially, but Scripturally what you do and foster constitutes the evidence of what you really believe, (Mt. 7:20; Ja. 2:18) and by treating even proabortion/sodomite/Muslim public figures as members in life and in death, then Rome manifests to the people what she really means by what she officially says.
And the laity much reflect that, or the prelates reflect them .
Well, a few things about what you wrote:
I wasn’t replying on that issue you mention. It was a matter of logic and honest communication. The question which the original poster asked was which corporate “Christian” groups...?, and Mrs. Don-o included Jewish ones as if they were, without qualification, and then when corrected on it, denied her mistake. It was only the last part, the denial of her mistake, that I was responding to.
But on the relationship between Christianity and Judaism, there is one, of course, but Jewish denominations that deny Jesus was and is the Messiah and still await one aren’t Christian.
Then on religions besides Judaism, they are so much based on falsehood that while political cooperation might be in order in limited areas, giving them platforms to espouse their beliefs wouldn’t be advancing the kingdom of God. Is Islam approved of God because it also opposes homosexual acts?
I referred to Jewish groups amongst other examples of faith communities which have varying takes on homosexuality. My overall point is that there's a key difference between groups which overtly accept/espouse homosexuality, and groups which explicitly reject it. The latter may have sinners and offenders in their ranks, but they are not exemplars of their faith group: rather the contrary.
To anyone who got confused and mistakenly thought I was claiming that Jews are counted amongst the Christian fold: I didn't expect that level of incomprehension, but I hope that's all cleared up now.
Ah. I see your problem. Here's the thing: I wasn't just answering that question. I was discussing its applicability to various faith groups.
So, I think you protest too much. Religious organizations are voluntary and don't have the power they had even 20 years ago. To try to make the Catholic's somehow the poster children for this seems over the top.
On this thread: I posted a non-equivical statement by the highest ranking Catholic in the USA against gay marriage.
Now's the time to get on the record. I'm looking through this and I'm not seeing any other leaders of the various Protestant Christian sects making clear public statements. Surely that matters too?
(1) Muslims are not Catholics. They are not baptised nor believers in the Trinity, and it's by baptism that a person enters the Catholic church.
(2) Proabortion/sodomites: The Church is indeed full of sinners. It's a scandalous matter of pastoral malpractice that unrepentant manifest sinners are not disciplined on the basis of Canon 915, which states that unrepentant manifest grave sinners are not to be admitted to Holy Communion. Former top canonical judge Cardinal Raymond Burke --- whose ruling still stands--- ruled that this means barring Catholic politicians who advocate/promote/sponsor/legislate grave sins.
Are the prelates who violate Canon 915 by admitting these pols to Communion, thereby objectively committing grave sin themselves? Yes, they are. Is it the sort of sin that, unrepented, will lead to eternal damnation? Yes, it is.
Not all Lutherans. While the ELCA or largest Lutheran synod is officially apostate, the LCMS (lutheran church missouri synod) the WELS, the LCMC and some smaller groups remain Biblically sound.
How is that even relevant as an answer to the fact that Rome treats even proabortion/sodomite/Muslim public figures (such Ted Kennedy Caths) as members in life and in death?
. It's a scandalous matter of pastoral malpractice that unrepentant manifest sinners are not disciplined on the basis of Canon 915, which states that unrepentant manifest grave sinners are not to be admitted to
At least you admit it, but RCs promote a church, and this is their church.
Former top canonical judge Cardinal Raymond Burke --- whose ruling still stands--
No, he is not the pope, and the pope effectively demoted U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke by removing him as prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, the final court of appeal for any ecclesiastical judgement to a largely ceremonial role at a Rome-based Catholic charity. And which was after Burke was replaced by the liberal Cardinal Donald Wuerl on the Congregation for Bishops, the church body that selects new bishops. All of which hardly seems confirmatory of his judgment.
Are the prelates who violate Canon 915 by admitting these pols to Communion, thereby objectively committing grave sin themselves?
Not according to the leadership you are supposes to look to, and follow as a docile sheep, but instead you are more like a Protestant who rejects the validity of pastoral teaching and actions based upon your judgment of what historical documents say. But which also teach your one duty is to follow the pastors as a docile sheep.
As for the pro-aborts and pro-sodomy malefactors, they do not represent the Church: they exemplify the violation of Catholic faith and morals. They are, if you see it clearly, the anti-Church.
It is a sin crying out to Heaven for vengeance, that they are not being disciplined, but nobody, ever, believed or said the Church here on earth is sinless. It's always been rife with sinners. Jesus said it would be. (Dragnet pulls in all kinds of dreck; weeds grow with the wheat.) Only a fool would deny this.
And only a person unfamiliar with Scripture, the Prophets of Israel, and the Lives of the Saints, would be surprised.
Fix your eyes on Christ on the Cross. He had twelve hand-picked men, eleven of whom weren't there with Him when He was dying, because of their betrayal, their denial, and their cowardice.
So don't be surprised. Saddened, yes. Sickened, yes. Morally indignant, yes. But not surprised.
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