Why I'm Still Catholic (And Why Other People Aren't)

catholic365.com ^ | 6/24/2015 | y Anabelle Hazard

[Not gonna take it anymore]

I’ve been away from the religion forum for a bit and can see that I haven’t missed a thing.

The usual anti-Catholic bigots are alive and well.

[BipolarBob]

The usual anti-Catholic bigots are alive and well.

Welcome back.

[Jack Black]

Those who insist upon a false distinguishing between “Christians” and “Catholics”, implying that Catholics are not Christians, but the myriad Protestant sects are — that’s both ignorant and rude.

[RnMomof7]

You are mistaken as to what anathema means. It is a form of excommunication based on adherence to false doctrines

Sorry...but no sale .. Rome likes to redefine words to serve their needs.. and hopefully deceive the foolish...sort of like trying to make presbyters into priests.. but the bible does not lie

. They chose the words VERY CAREFULLY.. they used , not a latin word.. but a Greek word dripping with Pauls condemnation

Douay-Rheims Bible....

Gal1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

Ummm seems like an appropriate scripture for what they meant huh???

Lets look at the greek meaning

anathema: that which is laid up, i.e. a votive offering
Original Word: ἀνάθεμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anathema
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ath'-em-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, a cursed thing
Definition: a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

331 anáthema (from 303 /aná, "up" concluding a process, which intensifies 5087 /títhēmi, "to place") – properly, place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."

[331 (anáthema) is the root of the English word, "anathema."]

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[lupie]

Those who insist upon a false distinguishing between “Christians” and “Catholics”, implying that Catholics are not Christians, but the myriad Protestant sects are — that’s both ignorant and rude.

I am sorry that you inferred that I said that Catholics cannot be Christians. I am not sure where you got that from what I said. I would be interested in knowing why you inferred that. I did not imply that at all. Nor did I imply that many who call themselves "Christian" really belong to the Lord. Very far from that. And if you knew my circumstances, you would be embarrassed that you even said that I implied that.

[CynicalBear]

>>And what of Protestant churches that diverge from your own sect?<<

What of them? If they teach something other than what the apostles taught the passage is rather clear isn't it?

>>Or of the Jews?<<

I think scripture is very clear on where the Jews stand.

>>I surmise that your stock of condemnatory terms would be greatly taxed by any such accounting — with little concern as to how Christ would view such expressions.<<

You don't think Christ and the Holy Spirit who inspired the writing of scripture agreed?

[CynicalBear]

>>Protestants follow the Bible the Catholic Church thoughtfully created for them<<

Romans 3:1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Pompous arrogant Catholics still want to take the glory.

Oh, and don't try that list of apostate preachers with me. It's the Catholics who claim they serve the same god as Muslims and like the Mormons the Catholics rely on writings other than scripture.

[vladimir998]

“people that have no Savior..”

My Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ. And that’s why Protestant anti-Catholics so routinely resort to lying.

[CynicalBear]

>>There doesn't appear to be much credit given to God for us having Gods Word being as how Catholics are sopping up all the glory.<<

That Catholic Church and Catholics do all they can to take credit from God and give it to man. Whether it's Mary or one of their so called saints or the magisterium.

[BipolarBob]

My Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ.

But yet, you pray to Mary and other dead people. Something our Lord did not do. It seems contradictory.

[Rockingham]

Scripture is sometimes unclear or equivocal, our understanding of it may be inadequate or defective, and it does not answer all questions. Therefore we must often turn to human experience and reason in matters of faith. Fundamentalist, sola scripture Protestants reject that view and thus find themselves on problematic territory when it comes to science and reason, even moral reasoning.

[Rockingham]

So, in your view, the Catholic Church is merely pretending to its adherents and to the public at large to have a soft interpretation of anathema, while secretly holding to a severe original meaning of anathema as used at the Council of Trent? Have I stated the matter accurately?

[Rockingham]

As I posted to CynicalBear, Scripture is sometimes unclear or equivocal, our understanding of it may be inadequate or defective, and it does not definitively answer all human questions. Therefore we must often turn to human experience and reason in matters of faith. Fundamentalist, sola scripture Protestants reject that view and thus find themselves on problematic territory when it comes to science and reason, even moral reasoning.

[CynicalBear]

>>Therefore we must often turn to human experience and reason in matters of faith.<<

Not for Bible believing Christians.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. Make up your own beliefs if you wish but scripture is still God's word and He promised the Holy Spirit to individual believers in order to understand.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

[vladimir998]

“But yet, you pray to Mary and other dead people.”

Actually they are all alive in Christ. And since praying is asking in itself, why shouldn’t I? All I ask them to do is pray for me.

“Something our Lord did not do.”

Well, actually Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah on Mount Tabor. Elijah may not have died beforehand, but Moses most definitely did.

“It seems contradictory.”

No, not to orthodox Christians. Those tainted with heresy - like Protestants - are often unable to grasp even the simplest of things about Christianity.

[RnMomof7]

So, in your view, the Catholic Church is merely pretending to its adherents and to the public at large to have a soft interpretation of anathema, while secretly holding to a severe original meaning of anathema as used at the Council of Trent? Have I stated the matter accurately?

WORDS MEAN THINGS..they chose the word..now live with it.. The meaning is the meaning .. CURSED

If that is not what Rome meant then they should say that the infallible council of trent was not infallible and did not REALLY mean what it said.. it made a "mistake "

[RnMomof7]

You seem to just be saying that you don't really understand the meaning of what Christian is, as the scriptures teach.

Yep..and they also do not know what the word Gospel means..

[RnMomof7]

The usual anti-Catholic bigots are alive and well.

Ummm that is anti Roman Catholic Doctrine .... nothing personal

[RnMomof7]

My Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ. And that’s why Protestant anti-Catholics so routinely resort to lying.

So are you saved ??? Are you sure of your salvation??

[RnMomof7]

Scripture is sometimes unclear or equivocal, our understanding of it may be inadequate or defective, and it does not answer all questions. Therefore we must often turn to human experience and reason in matters of faith.

We know .....

But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor.2:14

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.1 Corinthians 1:18