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Why I'm Still Catholic (And Why Other People Aren't)
catholic365.com ^ | 6/24/2015 | y Anabelle Hazard

Posted on 06/26/2015 10:18:59 AM PDT by Morgana

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To: RnMomof7

“Please answer my question can an observant Buddhist or Hindi be saved ??”

Acknowledge this fact and I might:

Redemption and salvation are related, but are two different things. Again, learn the difference.


161 posted on 06/29/2015 1:31:18 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998; RnMomof7
>>Did you ever read Romans 4:25?<<

Interesting that you seem to be ignoring the previous verse.

Romans 4:24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

That's not everybody.

>>How about 1 Cor 15:3-4?<<

Ditto!

1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

>>How about 1 Peter 2:24?<<

This time you stopped to soon.

1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

You don't seem to be acquainted with all of scripture. Maybe you should spend your time reading and praying over the scriptures rather than repeatedly parroting the Catholic polemic.

162 posted on 06/29/2015 1:32:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: RnMomof7

“So Jesus redeemed mankind and died for their sins... and justified men before the Father... but none of that saves right?? His work was incomplete.. and we have to do stuff ??”

Redemption and salvation are related, but are two different things. Again, learn the difference. I suggest you read the articles I posted to you. You seem to be very unfamiliar with basic Christian beliefs. Did you read any of the articles I posted links to? Two or three were by Protestants. Did you read even those? It’s the information age. There’s no reason to confuse redemption and salvation.


163 posted on 06/29/2015 1:33:42 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: CynicalBear

“It doesn’t surprise me that you would use the Catholic corruption of the meaning instead of the intent of the Greek word.”

It doesn’t surprise me that you would use the Protestant anti-Catholic tendency to contradict yourself dogmatically because now you can never use Romans 3:23 to say the Virgin Mary sinned. Good going.


164 posted on 06/29/2015 1:42:47 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
>>because now you can never use Romans 3:23 to say the Virgin Mary sinned.<<

Of course I can. All, as in all parts that apply, applies to Mary since there was only one sinless human and that was Jesus. It is He and He alone that was declared "without sin".

165 posted on 06/29/2015 1:57:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

You are not an authority or expert in ancient Hebrew and Greek, and you decline to cite to any. Do you have anything other than your say so to offer?


166 posted on 06/29/2015 1:58:59 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
>>and you decline to cite to any.<<

Sigh! Do you not read my posts? Here, I'll bold what you claim I didn't include.

From my post: " Greek - yakach - to decide, adjudge, prove [http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3198.htm]"

There, I even put it in red for you this time. Wait, I'll even make it a link for you!!!!

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3198.htm

>>Do you have anything other than your say so to offer?<<

How about you actually read the posts before making really ...... Oh never mind. See ya.

167 posted on 06/29/2015 2:06:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

If Jesus dies for all sins, He dies for all sinners. That means everyone was redeemed. There is no other possibility.


168 posted on 06/29/2015 2:23:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: CynicalBear

“Of course I can.”

Nope. You’re done.


169 posted on 06/29/2015 2:26:32 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
>>Nope. You’re done.<<

Not even close vlad. Scripture is full of proofs of error by the Catholic Church and it's followers. Not until the rapture will I be done.

170 posted on 06/29/2015 2:29:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

“Not even close vlad.”

Yep. Done.

“Not until the rapture will I be done.”

If you mean the Darbyesque Rapture, there is no such thing. That was invented in the 19th century. Enjoy you’re non-event.


171 posted on 06/29/2015 2:32:11 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

I just showed you there were qualifiers. Your refusal to believe them doesn’t change the truth.


172 posted on 06/29/2015 2:34:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

“I just showed you there were qualifiers. Your refusal to believe them doesn’t change the truth.”

I just showed you the logical problem with your claim. Your refusal to believe it doesn’t change the truth.


173 posted on 06/29/2015 2:49:47 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear
If Jesus dies for all sins, He dies for all sinners. That means everyone was redeemed. There is no other possibility.

Christ died for all, in the sense that Christ’s death was sufficient for all ...but applied only to those the Father gave Him.. (the elect )

So you would agree then that Christ ..took the penalty for my sin?

So He bought me, took my punishment ... but He did not save me?

174 posted on 06/29/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear

Truth is you do not want to answer my question ...because Rome teaches that the observant Buddhist and the observant Hindi can ride their own goodness into heaven... cause they have been redeemed right ?


175 posted on 06/29/2015 3:04:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear
That does not address my point because arguing over the meaning of a single isolated word does not engage the specific Bible passage. Why does that matter?

Consider what the Seventh Day Adventists -- who are not known as slackers when it comes to Scriptural strictness -- have to say about faith and reason and the passage from Isaiah that I cited:

Use of reason

Some today—both Christians and non-Christians—place faith and reason in opposition to one another. But this is not the biblical view. Isaiah 1:18 declares, “Come now, and let us reason together,' says the Lord." Unless we reason as we read, we will fail to understand what we're reading. A passage from Nehemiah shows that the need to engage the Word with our intellect is nothing new.

After 70 years of captivity in Babylon, many of the brave souls who returned to rebuild Jerusalem had not heard or read the Scriptures. So a group of priests "read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people could understand what was being read" (Nehemiah 8:8; emphasis added). Paul exhorted Timothy to "be diligent, . . . accurately handling the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15,NASB). Note that "accurately handling the word of truth" requires diligence, and diligence includes careful reasoning.

COME LET US REASON.

And if one follows the link and reads the rest of the web page, it is clear that Adventists -- yes, even Adventists -- are like Catholics in urging that reading Scripture correctly requires attention to cultural and historical context, the logical context, reason, perspective, and a balancing of evidence.

176 posted on 06/29/2015 3:12:21 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: RnMomof7

“Christ died for all, in the sense that Christ’s death was sufficient for all ...but applied only to those the Father gave Him.. (the elect )”

No. Redemption was for all. Salvation is not obtained by all.

“So you would agree then that Christ ..took the penalty for my sin?”

Again, do you understand what the word EVERYONE means? This isn’t hard. I’m willing to bet you actually do know what the word EVERYONE means.

“So He bought me, took my punishment ... but He did not save me?”

He redeemed you. Redemption and salvation are related but are two different things.


177 posted on 06/29/2015 3:19:03 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: RnMomof7

“Truth is you do not want to answer my question”

If you’re talking about what (you apparently believe) I “want” then you are engaging in “mind reading” which is a violation of board rules.

“...because Rome teaches that the observant Buddhist and the observant Hindi can ride their own goodness into heaven... cause they have been redeemed right ?”

No. If anyone - ANYONE - enters Heaven it is by God’s grace. This is EXACTLY what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says in sections 1996-2001. So, once again, we see that you are clearly wrong about the Catholic faith. No surprise there, of course.


178 posted on 06/29/2015 3:26:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: RnMomof7; vladimir998
>>because Rome teaches that the observant Buddhist and the observant Hindi can ride their own goodness into heaven...<<

Mother Theresa knew it well evidently. She claimed they should just be better whatever they were. No need to change evidently.

179 posted on 06/29/2015 3:27:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: vladimir998

Please answer my question ...can an observant Buddhist go to heaven ... PS Mother Teresa thought so ...


180 posted on 06/29/2015 3:41:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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