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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine; MHGinTN; ealgeone; HossB86

In 150 AD, a contemporary writer, in “The Shepherd of Hermas”, confirms that the Roman church is still overseen by a plurality of “elders”. Moreover, these “elders” fought among themselves and brought scandal to the church.

Hermas, wrote: “But you yourself will read [my book] to this city [Rome], along with the elders (“presbuteroi” in the original Greek) who preside (proistamenoi – plural leadership) over the church.” (Vis 2.4). Hermas could not be more clear. There is a plurality of presbyters who “preside over” the church at Rome. There is no one person in charge.

But more, he urged them,

“I say to you [tois – plural] who lead the church and occupy the seats of honor: do not be like the sorcerers … You carry your drug and poison in your heart. You are calloused and do not want to cleanse your hearts and to mix your wisdom together in a clean heart, in order that you may have mercy from the great King.

Watch out, therefore, children, lest these divisions of yours [among you elders] deprive you of your life. How is it that you desire to instruct God’s elect, while you yourselves have no instruction? Instruct one another, therefore, and have peace among yourselves,”

We’ve seen Jesus admonish this behavior when the disciples themselves “argued among themselves as to who was greatest”. Nor does Hermas attribute any gift of “infallibility” to these elders, who themselves “have no instruction”.

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2015/05/13-things-you-didnt-know-about-papacy.html


276 posted on 06/24/2015 7:39:49 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

The figurative fingers go in the ears and the hands over the eyes as soon as catholic eyes find the first line of your post. Piety in catholicisim is to reject and ignore anything which the Vatican has not approved for their ears and eyes. Well, except in things of the flesh ...


278 posted on 06/24/2015 7:44:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7
There are other contributors at "trialblogue" but that particular article of fairly recent date (Wednesday, May 27, 2015) is apparently courtesy of John Bugay (sure to be a favorite of our FRomish FRiends? lol).

Here again the first, and last of what you'd cited here, originating from http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2015/05/13-things-you-didnt-know-about-papacy.html;

... ... ...

From Papal Infallibility: A Protestant Evaluation of an Ecumenical Issue Mark E. Powell p. 136


from

deus ex machina

( Latin: “god from the machine”) a person or thing that appears or is introduced into a situation suddenly and unexpectedly and provides an artificial or contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.

The term was first used in ancient Greek and Roman drama, where it meant the timely appearance of a god to unravel and resolve the plot. The deus ex machina was named for the convention of the god’s appearing in the sky, an effect achieved by means of a crane (Greek: mēchanē). The dramatic device dates from the 5th century bc; a god appears in Sophocles’ Philoctetes and in most of the plays of Euripides to solve a crisis by divine intervention.

Since ancient times, the phrase has also been applied to an unexpected saviour or to an improbable event that brings order out of chaos (e.g., the arrival, in time to avert tragedy, of the U.S. cavalry in a western film).


But somehow..."sola scriptura" is the enemy, to be defeated(!)

Scripture as over-arching guide & rule to our faith, by which tradition itself need be evaluated to help stem tide of abuses, wherever those arise within the Christian Church, and what's the response of those with which we here often contend --- sola scriptura delenda est?

It's not as if within Scripture there is no room or space made for revelation, but that true revelation won't go against what the Scriptures well enough show. Proper governance of church body is discussed also, with no where really to be found there be one single bishop as head over all others. Pretty much anybody could be corrected, and if not receiving that when it when due and proper --- be removed, cast out.

Yet when the cry is as Sola Scriptura delenda est what is it that is being declared enemy, and what is it which seeks to take it's place?


291 posted on 06/25/2015 2:52:09 PM PDT by BlueDragon (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king)
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