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If Christians Want To End Abortions They Should Stop Getting Them
patheos.com ^ | June 11, 2015 | Benjamin Dixon

Posted on 06/14/2015 9:15:16 PM PDT by Morgana

One of the pillars of the Evangelical marriage to the Republican Party is the Pro-Life movement. By far, this movement is one of the most passionate and mobilized groups in America. But I wonder have they ever taken a moment to ask themselves the question of why, according to the Guttmacher Institute, 65 percent of all abortions are performed on Christian patients (37 percent Protestant and 28 percent Catholic). Sometimes I wonder if they even know this statistic. And if they do, how do they look at themselves in the mirror at night after they have gone to college campuses and given graphic demonstrations to kids that they likely presume are heathens only to know in their own heart that it is their fellow-churchgoers that are having 65 percent of all abortions? So if Evangelicals are so fixated on ending abortions then maybe they should stop having them.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; christian; christians; church; evangelicals; prolife
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1 posted on 06/14/2015 9:15:16 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Maybe they have already repented.


2 posted on 06/14/2015 9:16:59 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Morgana
Anybody can call himself or herself a Christian. That doesn't necessarily make him or her a pro-lifer. Am I right, Nanzi Pelosi? Up high!
3 posted on 06/14/2015 9:18:53 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Morgana

One can self-identify as a “Christian” (culturally) and not be baptized, a church-goer, a member of a particular congregation/denomination or even have ever entered a church, especially in a majority Christian country settled by Christians. That proves nothing.


4 posted on 06/14/2015 9:20:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Morgana
Consider the source:

"The Guttmacher Institute in 1968 was founded as the Center for Family Planning Program Development, a semi-autonomous division of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. The Center was renamed in memory of Alan Frank Guttmacher, an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood, and the Guttmacher Institute became an independent, non-profit corporation in 1977..."

5 posted on 06/14/2015 9:23:38 PM PDT by donna (Polls are mob rule . . . faked.)
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To: Morgana

A quick Google of how many Americans are Christian yields 83 percent...so the 65 percent of abortions mean they are less likely than people not identifying as christian


6 posted on 06/14/2015 9:26:55 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Morgana

The blacks that have them (the majority of them) are CINOs, if they go to Rev Wright-type churches where whitey is the devil and Black Jesus wants reparations.


7 posted on 06/14/2015 9:30:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Morgana

So here’s the problem. This guy from the “God is Not a Republican” website was kind enough to post a link to his assertion that “...65 percent of all abortions being performed on Christian patients...”.

So I followed the link and found a FAQ at the “Guttmacher Institute” website. They foot-noted the entry on religious self-identification”: http://www.guttmacher.org/media/evidencecheck/2011/01/31/Advisory-Abortion-Mental-Health.pdf

If you take the time and actually read it you’ll find no mention of religious affiliation in the PDF at all.

I don’t know if this was intentional sloppiness or pure deceit. Either way his conclusions are out to lunch because his premises are fatally flawed.


8 posted on 06/14/2015 9:31:05 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By definition, if these people you mention are not baptized, then they are NOT Christians. They might self identify as “Christians” but there is no way that they actually are.


9 posted on 06/14/2015 9:33:36 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Morgana

The article title has a flawed assumption.

They don’t distinguish between a real Christian and a CINO.

We have denominations who promote abortion. You can’t call them Christian even though they self-identify that way. You’ve got pro-aborts in denominations that oppose abortion.

You certainly can’t lump both together in a flawed assumption article headline like this author does and expect an accurate discussion by blaming generic “Christians”.

When the real Christians have made progress ending abortion by prayer, silent vigils, getting abortion mills treated to the same medical standards of any other place that does medical procedures and hygiene levels, these same bastards have written scathing shrieking hit pieces against the evil Christians for doing this.

THe left makes me vomit their hypocrisy back at them.


10 posted on 06/14/2015 9:35:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Morgana

I am not the least bit surprised.


11 posted on 06/14/2015 9:35:44 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: miele man

You make my point for me.


12 posted on 06/14/2015 9:36:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Texas Eagle

[[Anybody can call himself or herself a Christian.]]

Heck, even the _resident claims he’s one... Actiosn speak louder than words- and it’s plain as day he isn’t one


13 posted on 06/14/2015 9:51:33 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Morgana

WOW! Satan’s argument is so...Satanic.


14 posted on 06/14/2015 10:03:25 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy. Cruz, that is. Texas conservative.)
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To: Morgana

Planned Parenthood should know. A lot of the abortions they perform are on moms from 9 to 17 years old.

In Illinois they can take these girls out of school and take them to a clinic for an abortion and they don’t have to notify their parents.


15 posted on 06/14/2015 10:06:43 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Morgana
Such a true and simple statement: "If Christians Want To End Abortions They Should Stop Getting Them." That doesn't require a law, just good moral and ethical values.
16 posted on 06/14/2015 10:23:15 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Morgana
>> One of the pillars of the Evangelical marriage to the Republican Party is the Pro-Life movement. < <

Funny, I've been to the March for Life twice, and most of the people who attended the largest event of the Pro-Life movement were Catholics, not evangelical protestants.

17 posted on 06/14/2015 11:39:23 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: rockrr

I think I found the original study.

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/US-Abortion-Patients.pdf

The article appears to be accurate in its claims of what the study shows. What it means is open to debate.

Those who claim it’s false are perpetrating, at least to some extent, the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

There is also simply no way for any study to differentiate between “real” and “not-real” Christians. Though to my mind one fairly good method is to separate out the “Christians” who get an abortion as being not very sincere.


18 posted on 06/15/2015 12:02:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Those who claim it’s false are perpetrating, at least to some extent, the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

The "No True Scotsman" fallacy implies when one starts by making a universal claim and then denying a counter example by contriving the definition of their terms to make an exception to that counter-example.

In this case, there was no universal rule and counter example, so this is not an example of such a fallacy...even though language like "then they are no true Christian" might bring the fallacy to mind.

19 posted on 06/15/2015 12:58:53 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Texas Eagle

For pity sake, the president calls himself a Christian. If you ever needed proof that calling oneself a Christian means next to nothing, that’s it.


20 posted on 06/15/2015 1:44:15 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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