Posted on 06/11/2015 11:27:59 AM PDT by marshmallow
Uh...NO!
“Some might argue that only liberals want priests to have the right to be married.”
Liberals of any faith or none are the only group to invariably hate and want the Catholic latin rite discipline of celibacy to end.
Freegards
It’s a proscription, not a prescription.
“Listen to the church,” and “hold fast to the traditions,” as Paul said.
Luther isn’t in the Bible or Tradition.
It’s a proscription, not a prescription.
“Listen to the church,” and “hold fast to the traditions,” as Paul said.
Luther isn’t in the Bible or Tradition.
Why do you continue to claim this when it has repeatedly been shown to you to be false?
This first (married priest) is possible. There are good arguments pro and con. At worst it would be a bad idea. The second (women deacons) is heresy.
-—Mary is ENGAGED to Joseph when Gabriel tells her, “You will bear a child...”
Mary doesn’t reply, “well, I AM getting married, after all.”
No. She asks, “How can this be?”-—
Except that Gabriel says to Mary in 1:31 that “you will conceive IN THE WOMB.” Women don’t conceive in the womb, and what Gabriel says is a Greek construction only used that one time as far as I can see, and I have looked. I’d be happy to post more of what I found out about it, if you’d like. If what is meant then is conceiving without sexual relations, then Mary would phrase her question in the terms for that which God’s Word uses, asking how she would conceive without knowing a man.
Jesus said over and over that the family of His Kingdom would be a spiritual one. At some point Jesus’ brothers didn’t believe in Him, and regardless of when they did, they did not follow Him all the way to the cross. But John did. And when someone says these were only Jesus’ cousins, who could also be called brothers, then if such kinsman were considered to be that close, then they should also have a duty to care for Mary as a mother.
The conservative high Anglicans who bothered to join the Catholic Church over the liberal direction of the UK/US Anglicans seem to always find the celibacy discipline valuable, at least that I recall seeing.
FReegards
I would not be surprised if in the next half century, married men who are currently deacons, are given the option of further ordination to the priesthood. This I think would need to be restricted to men whose wives are above a certain age and whose children have moved out and are independent. This I think would be most useful for filling a gap concerning marital problems or people who are unsure about getting married and want advice.
he wants attention.
I seem to remember that to the extent we know, these women were “ordained” but in a different way than men, but I could be wrong. I was reminded by a priest friend that there are a few deaconesses in women’s monasteries in Greece but they don’t fulfill any sacramental role. He isn’t really sure what they do. He suspects that the Russian ones are the same. Maybe a member of the ROC here knows, if there are any. Most Orthodox have left this site over the years.
Agreed. Celibacy is the preferred state outside of Holy Matrimony. As the father of a young daughter, we are strongly encouraging our daughter to remain celibate until marriage. But celibacy is not an end to itself.
It is always better to read the Bible than to read into the Bible.
What Mary means in this passage: How can I be with child? I have never shared physical intimacy with a man? She was betrothed to Joseph at this time. But not yet married. That’s all this means. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that Mary and Joseph did not eventually consummate their marriage. The Marian doctrines were developed much later and have little basis in scripture.
What I say is not false. Priests, bishops, and even popes were married in the early church. Compulsory clerical celibacy was instituted much later.
“The tenth century is claimed to be the high point of clerical marriage in the Latin Communion (Catholic Church). Most rural priests were married and many urban clergy and bishops had wives and children.”
Source: History of Sacerdotal Celibacy in the Christian Church by Henry C. Lea.
Glad you brought up St. Paul. Paul provides a complete and thorough job description for service in the clergy:
“If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, apt to teach. Not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but a gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence. For if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how can he take care of the church of God? Not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover, he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7
There you have it. The complete job description for service in the clergy. It really doesn’t clearer than this.
As I have stated, since the clergy was married for the first ten centuries of Church history, it is the more traditional position.
With respects to what liberals think about this issue. Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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