Posted on 06/06/2015 7:48:08 AM PDT by Salvation
Please re-read the posts to this thread.
That's why I said:
If not Heaven, at least not Hell.
Reading comprehension.
This may some insight as to why you didn't think other posters were saying unborn babies go to Hell.
I was reponding to this post:
“The following seems to suggest that aborted children go to heaven over limbo, however the word, heaven is not stated.”
Talk about reading comprehension! Sheesh!
Poor, hasty research on my part.
Good catch on yours.
I suppose I could still argue higher than 20% as that is for recognized pregnancies, and there is no way of guessing how many unrecognized ones spontaneously end, but ya know what? I'm already in a hole.
I think I'll stop digging...
I’ve reread the posts on this thread twice now. No one has said unborn babies go to Hell. You were wrong.
I think you are using the word “born” too literally.
I was told that this is no longer Catholic teaching.
Enlighten me.
since when do dreams define theology? The God I believe in is merciful to all, and Jesus died for the unborn as well. Those precious little ones are safe in the arms of their Savior, washed by His blood. An adult if they become a believer and die before they can be baptized, similarly goes to Heaven to be with their Savior. Baptism is an important sacrament and an outward sign of obedience, but the change in the heart is what is important.
What puzzles me is why some would define their absolute belief based on someone else’s dream. Argue from scripture or your knowledge of God, but someone else’s dream? please
I also had a dream with aborted children. I had been praying for someone who was distressed and needed help, and the dream was of a playroom and all these little girls were playing and dancing around and were very happy. They were aborted souls, and they told me they were helping the person I was praying for. Then they ran and danced and skipped off to have more good times.
It was only a dream, but very comforting anyway.
You mean islam’s sole claim on Jerusalem, mohammad’s midnight dream of riding his flying horse named barack, to the Temple Mount isn’t valid?
Ooooo, that’s going to annoy a whole buncha muslims!
I think we are conceived in sin, except possibly for the most religious among us who are simply obeying what they perceive as the word of God with no other motive.
Certainly we are born into a sinful world, our parents not excluded, but I don’t think there is a clear demarcation between a born and an unborn soul as there is between conceived in sin because of our sinful culture and nature and conceived without sin, as with Mary, and others of course.
Traditional teaching—as laid out in the Baltimore Catechism — was highly influenced by St. Augustine. Limbo is a concept that stops short of the logical conclusion of Augustine’s system of grace and consigns all the non-baptized to hell. At the same time we used to celebrate the feast of the Holy Innocents who were slaughtered by Herod in Bethlehem, a slaughter from which Our Lord escaped. Further, we now accept the Immaculate conception, which was pronounced by Pius IX as dogma at almost the very same time that science discovered that our lives’ courses begin at conception with the uniting of sperm and ovum. Given that this dogma was first advocated in the 15th century, at a time when science still held to the doctrine of the quickening, the coincidence seems to me to be an act of divine providence. The modern slaughter of the unborn has persuaded me, for one that that quote in the Baltimore Catechism is a claim to a knowledge we do not have. Still, I think we let the slaughterers off too lightly by leaving the matter to the mercy of God. “I tremble for my country when I know that God is just.
Thanks.
You may have had a Vision. That is a lot different than a dream.
I was taught there are different forms of baptism. First is by water the most common. Second is by blood (Martyrdom)and abortion IS Martyrdom. Third is by desire, you want to be baptized but die before you can be.
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