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To: ebb tide

I never said one word about some particular woman copulating like a rabbit. Geez Louise! Get serious, ebb tide!

That's what Pope Francis said couples shouldn't do: breed like rabbits.. He didn't say that's what this particular woman was doing!

Not only that, but the allusion to fatal risk (e.g. uterine rupture) after seven Cesareans is just medical fact. The Pope said "This is to tempt God" --- which means, she need not take on additional risks by exposing herself to yet another pregnancy.

Generally speaking, I think obstetrical risks vary a great deal from woman to woman, and some individuals could have 9 or 10 C-sections and do just fine. But where there's scarring and a big risk of uterine rupture, the baby and mother could die in minutes.

Even if the Pope's language was indelicate, his concern was not misplaced, nor was his moral advice --- recommending NFP --- objectionable in any way from a Catholic/ethical point of view.

21 posted on 05/23/2015 2:53:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment. " John 7:24)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It sounded like you were talking about one particular woman: “seven consecutive Cesareans was mentioned, an objectively heightened risk of uterine rupture, especially during a VBAC. In such case, the woman and baby would die quickly and badly.”

St. Gianna Beretta Molla pray for us!


22 posted on 05/23/2015 3:01:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That's what Pope Francis said couples shouldn't do: breed like rabbits.. He didn't say that's what this particular woman was doing!

He told the poor woman she was temping God. If anybody is tempting God, it's Francis.

23 posted on 05/23/2015 3:04:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Even if the Pope's language was indelicate, his concern was not misplaced, nor was his moral advice --- recommending NFP --- objectionable in any way from a Catholic/ethical point of view.

Recommending NFP willy-nilly is neither Catholic nor ethical. Why do you think the majority of Catholic couples ignore Humanae Vitae? When my wife and I went through pre-Cana classes, all that we were taught was NFP. It was disgusting.

25 posted on 05/23/2015 3:18:56 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Correct!!! Unfortunately, Pope Francis does not speak English. I think what he probably meant to say was that contrary to what many non-Catholics believe, the Church does not demand that women “breed like rabbits.”

I think we need to carefully scrutinize the translations of what Pope Francis says. As Pope Emeritus once said “every translation is also an interpretation.”


70 posted on 05/24/2015 6:15:42 PM PDT by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

P.S. I meant to say Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Sorry.


71 posted on 05/24/2015 6:18:35 PM PDT by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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