What I find puzzling is that many Catholics concede that Protestant Christians CAN be saved and are genuine Christians, while being without that core teaching of the absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.
I’d like a lurking Catholic to explain this. Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?
I’d like a lurking Catholic to explain this. Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?
I'm not a "Lurking Catholic" but the statement seems to be contrary to the Ex Cathedra statements of the Pope
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
This Catholic believes that ALL who acknowledge the Trinity and receive Christ into their hearts as Savior, shall achieve salvation. It is so set forth in the Catechism of the Church, which has excommunicated those who preached that there is no salvation outside of it. Look up Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J. Even Catholic kids were warned not to regard their Protestant friends as “unsaved”.
Witnessing the Consecration and receiving the Eucharist is to experience the physical presence of Christ, and strengthens one’s faith.
I have felt the heavy hand of coworkers who tell me with a straight face that they intend to “convert me to Christianity”. I laugh & tell them that the first miracle of Jesus was to change water into wine at Cana. Sends them into a tailspin with cries of “It was really grape juice!!”.
As for this thread, it’s obvious that there are those who need to get the log out of their eye before they get that speck out of mine.
;^)
Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?
Both? Jesuits, maybe?
“What I find puzzling is that many Catholics concede that Protestant Christians CAN be saved and are genuine Christians, while being without that core teaching of the absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.
I’d like a lurking Catholic to explain this. Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?”
____________________________________________________
It is not Catholic doctrine that to be saved one must receive the Catholic Eucharist. It is Catholic doctrine that validly receiving the Catholic Eucharist does strengthen one on the road to heaven.
“What I find puzzling is that many Catholics concede that Protestant Christians CAN be saved and are genuine Christians, while being without that core teaching of the absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.”
“absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.”
That statement is incorrect as regards the Catholic Church. This is very simple - anyone who professes belief in the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost is saved forever. The Eucharist at every mass is acknowledging the sacrifice Christ made for us. That’s it.
What I find puzzling is that many Catholics concede that Protestant Christians CAN be saved and are genuine Christians, while being without that core teaching of the absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.
I’d like a lurking Catholic to explain this. Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?
You might want to do some research on exactly what Catholic doctrine is regarding those Christians who are not Catholic but have been justified by faith in Baptism. It may be different than what you think.
The non-Catholics that will make it to heaven are the ones that have never been exposed to the Catholic Church, and through no fault of their own are not Catholic, but still live their lives according to the beatitudes. This does not include the scores of fallen away Catholics (worst kind of “protestant”), and other non-Catholics who have been exposed to the One, Truth Faith, and mock it, belittle it and deny the Eucharist. For them God has a special place reserved. I don’t think I need to describe that special place.
Cornelius and the Samaritans would disagree with your position.
The Bible makes it clear that faith in Christ is what saves....not baptism, not the Lord's Supper or any other "work".
Those “catholics” you speak of are both devious and unbelieving of Catholic doctrine.
>>“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:<<
>>“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)<<
>>“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)<<