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How Can the (Catholic) Church Teach Angels?
Catholic Answers ^ | March 15, 2015 | Tim Staples

Posted on 05/20/2015 2:41:37 PM PDT by NYer

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To: vladimir998

Oops! I’ll try that without the Franklin quote so my formatting doesn’t get messed up.

“And you are correct in saying I believe many of the RCC “teachings” are false and should be opposed when and where in error.”

But that isn’t what I said. The fact that you just invented something I didn’t say and are now ascribing it to me is indicative of the real problem. Notice I don’t make things up about what Protestants or Protestant anti-Catholics have said. Why do so many anti-Catholics literally make up things that no Catholic has said? Why do they seem to think that is morally acceptable?

“Many RCs are kept enslaved inside this particular man-made religion, and other similar “Protestant” religions because of the continuing efforts of workers such as you and others on these threads.”

Isn’t the person who - for whatever reason - has to make up things no one actually said the person who must really be enslaved?

“I hope that many more people will choose to come out of the RCC darkness and into the Light of the Truth: Lord Jesus Christ...”

And yet you make up something that no one said and ascribe it to another. I would say the hypocrisy is breath taking if it were not so commonly exhibited by anti-Catholics.


141 posted on 05/21/2015 8:09:27 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom

Amen, mm. This is the point of Eph. 3:10. That we, who know the grace of God are studied by angels. They are indeed learning through us, the Church the Body of Christ. :)


142 posted on 05/21/2015 8:27:31 AM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: metmom
oops, didn't post the end point!

So, if there is a Church who claims to be teaching the angels, and that Church does not teach the salvation by grace through faith in the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST, obviously that Church cannot possibly be teaching the angels. Grace is the whole point of EVERYTHING. Without grace, the rest is just works. And this is what God is showing the angels through the Church the Body of Christ, His matchless grace. "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his GRACE in his kindness TOWARD US through Jesus Christ." Eph. 2:7.

143 posted on 05/21/2015 8:43:35 AM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: vladimir998

I would say you manifest the gift of confusion in almost all of your postings.


144 posted on 05/21/2015 9:08:05 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t know if you did either.


145 posted on 05/21/2015 11:13:11 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

What an imagination Watterson has!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2014/06/06/exclusive-calvin-and-hobbes-creator-bill-watterson-returns-to-the-comics-page-to-offer-a-few-pearls-gems/


146 posted on 05/21/2015 11:21:31 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

Play checkers instead.

Let the birds have the WHITE squares.


147 posted on 05/21/2015 11:22:52 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

Tippi Hedren may disagree.


148 posted on 05/21/2015 11:24:44 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
Why would Augustine’s OTHER interpretations - when at least 3 or 4 are possible

I've not seen ANY!

149 posted on 05/21/2015 11:25:45 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero

this morning?


150 posted on 05/21/2015 11:26:05 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
Collective mind reading is allowed, e.g. Scientologists believe ...

But if we Prots say...

Collective mind reading is allowed, e.g. Catholicsbelieve ...

...we'll get massive amounts of gnashing and wailing.

151 posted on 05/21/2015 11:27:33 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Religion Moderator
But if we Prots say... Collective mind reading is allowed, e.g. Catholicsbelieve ... ...we'll get massive amounts of gnashing and wailing.

It is one thing to quote a CURRENT TEACHING OR ISSUE and discuss it with a Catholic. It is another thing to quote documents from hundreds of years ago which have since been amended, incorrectly interpret them, and discuss erroneous notions about what Catholics believe, without a Catholic in the particular post. We begin with one topic and inevitably PAST Councils, Indulgences, The Spanish Inquisition and the Wiki list of "Bad Popes" comes up.

There are current encyclicals, Vatican II documents, the CCC, the Catholic News Agency and EWTN's website to refer to, where there exist actual current verbatim statements of our beliefs. It beats speculation, misinterpretation, confusion, and flat out erroneous assumptions about what Catholics believe, in some sidebar.

152 posted on 05/21/2015 12:05:40 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Elsie

The only one that was funnier (And quite a bit more bizarre) was Larson.


153 posted on 05/21/2015 12:09:55 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: Salvation

Nope. I’m using catholic sources to illustrate catholic teaching. Not sure how you understand that as mind reading.


154 posted on 05/21/2015 12:14:41 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998

Nope. No mind reading. John 6 is the catholic go to on this topic. In either case you still need to keep things in context.


155 posted on 05/21/2015 12:17:47 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Grateful2God; Elsie

We’ve been told numerous times that catholicism has not and does not change. Are you suggesting it has?


156 posted on 05/21/2015 12:32:39 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

The times change, we have different issues to deal with. Dogma is immutable.


157 posted on 05/21/2015 12:47:02 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God

Are you sure? Sin is still sin. Evil has not really changed other than it is more available than previously. But we are still dealing with the same issues today the early church dealt with in their day.


158 posted on 05/21/2015 1:54:46 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Grateful2God; Elsie; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
It is another thing to quote documents from hundreds of years ago which have since been amended, incorrectly interpret them, and discuss erroneous notions about what Catholics believe, without a Catholic in the particular post.

Wait... what????

From the church that never changes?

Do you really mean that what was truth at one time is not truth any more? That truth changes depending on situations and circumstances?

159 posted on 05/21/2015 2:00:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Grateful2God
The times change, we have different issues to deal with. Dogma is immutable.

So, is there salvation outside the Catholic church or not?

When I was growing up, pre-V2, the answer was a resounding *NO!*.

But now it's changed?

So which one is correct? The previous or current?

160 posted on 05/21/2015 2:02:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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