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Insofar as Mary did carry Christ, our New Covenant, then she is in a unique and exalted status, as was the ARK of the Old Covenant untouchable (except to the Levites of Koriah). Mary carried the Divine Savior in her womb, she who did not know man.

Recall the story of Uzziah, who, when he saw the Ark tipping to one side, sought to touch the Ark and was killed for his trouble. (2 Samuel 6:1-7)

Now remember, he touched the ARK, not the covenant contained therein.

What? So anyone who touched Mary was killed instantly?

Or is it anyone who touched Jesus was killed instantly?

Then how did the crowds press around Him and not die? And how did He touch people to heal them and they not die?

Mary only said that at the time of the annunciation that she had not yet known a man, so she was puzzled over how she could be pregnant. That doesn't mean she never would know a man, and obviously, being engaged, she fully intended *knowing* a man, her husband. It's an expectation of marriage.

Here, once again, dear ‘Bible-believing Christian’, just off the top of my head, I’m guessing you have ZERO, NOTHING, NADA in the spoken tradition department.

So what? We have the inerrant, unchangeable word of the Living God. We don't need men's opinions added to it. It is sufficient for everything we need to come to know Jesus and grow and mature in Him. It is spiritual food for our spirit.

We have been warned to pray, fast and do penance.

No thanks. Not interested in going back into the bondage of a works based salvation religious system.

BTW, for what it's worth, your arguments for the validity of your church are not worth the electrons you used.

No. No one who touched Mary was killed instantly. I am sorry you made that deduction. The point here I was trying to make that Mary, as the Ark carrying the New Covenant, Christ, in her womb, is to be treated with great respect, as the previous ark was.

An inference that anyone who touched Jesus was killed instantly is nowhere in anything I wrote.

The point I was trying to make about spoken tradition, is that like many things contained in the Bible, those outside the Church either do not practice, nor do they have the authority to put into practice, the powers given by the Lord to his followers.

These issues have been ignored by all who have responded to my points; my scriptural points. The reason is that those in these churches cannot forgive sins, nor can they evaluate properly messages sent by the Lord to his people; i.e., 1 Thessolonians 5:19 and following:

“Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good, But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil.”

The Catholic Church, has the authority to make these examinations, and to judge prophecy which comes to us from the Lord, and it is only then that prophetic utterances be adjudged to be from the Holy Spirit, and worthy of belief. In this instance, it is the public miracle of Fatima.

Your church, of whatever stripe it is, does not have either the competence nor the authority to examine whether this occurrence, or any other such revelation is good or evil. It is not even an issue for you, despite the scripture referring to adjudging such matters. It does not even try.

When has your church come across a prophetic utterance that needs to be judged good or evil? Once? Ten times? Never?

Does this not now make you stop and think about who is this ‘foundation of truth ... the church’, which the Bible itself talks about? Again, and this issue you have avoided, you have no way of showing that the Church is not what is discussed, nor can you point to any church that it could be discussing.

You have avoided entirely the scripture and my point that the Catholic Church is the “Pillar and Foundation of truth” a claim no other church can make. As such it can and does assess the genuineness of events.

Think it through please. Three children claimed Mary has a message of warning for the world. A miracle for all to see is announced so that “all might believe”. This miracle occurs. Who has the power and authority to judge whether it is a message from God or a Satanic delusion? Pastor Billybob Jimjoe? Perhaps the Catholic Church?

1 Corinthians 2:13

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him; and HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND them, because they are spiritually appraised.… But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.

As to Mary’s perpetual virginity, the Church has this as part of its tradition. If you want an explanation for this teaching of the Church, please look here:

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-case-for-mary%E2%80%99s-perpetual-virginity

Finally, the point that was the crux of Daniel1212’s attack had to do with Mary as some kind of demi-goddess, with unscriptural super power, which I explained through scripture that not only she, but all of us, have the ability to do greater works than Christ Himself did. Christ is sovereign, and it is by His good will and authority that this is so.

You claimed that I wasted electrons in my arguments. To me this is what a child says when it finds himself unable to make reasonable arguments, and in frustration says, “Yeah, well, you’re just stupid!”

Democrats do as much. Be an adult, and try harder. If you cannot find anything to counter my statements, or if, perhaps, you find them to be true, just say so.