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To: metmom

There is a simple negative proof.

1

Christ’s Church will be with us until the end of the world (”the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”)

2

Christ’s Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth,” given the Holy Spirit by Christ to lead it into all truth. It cannot teach error, or IOW, bind believers to erroneous belief.

3

So Christ’s Church must possess a non-contradictory body of dogmatic teaching.

4

This Church must have been in continuous existence since Apostolic times. If it passed out of visible existence criteria #1 would be contradicted.

5

The Catholic Church is the only possible candidate to meet requirements 4 and 5. Her Teaching is non-contradictory.

No Protestant Church possesses anything close. All Protestants agree on only four or five beliefs, at most. This is hardly “all truth.” And no visible Protestant Church can trace its history to the Apostles, as the Catholic Church can.

6

If you claim that no visible church meets criteria 4 and 5, then your claim would contradict 1.


182 posted on 05/21/2015 2:20:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Your *negative proof* proves nothing. It must be positive proof. The process of elimination does not positively prove anything simply based on the presumption that all other options have been eliminated and we think we’re the only one left, therefore we are it.

It’s easy to set up conditions that no one else can meet and then claim you are the ones because lo and behold, we meet the conditions we set up.

How convenient.

What nonsense.

Make the claim and back it up with POSITIVE proof.

Addressing your attempts at negative proof......

1) The body of Christ, comprised of all born again/born from above believers during the church age, will be in existence until the end. That does NOT equate to the Catholic church.

2) No, there is no guarantee that the *church* will never teach error. The Truth is God’s word. The job of the church is to uphold that truth for people to see. That is no guarantee of inerrant TEACHING of the truth. Nor can any church bind any believer to erroneous belief. However, Catholicism tries with all the anathema’s it pronounces on those who disagree with it, but it’s really only binding on Catholics, not believers.

3)No, that is never set up by Christ at a job of the church.

4) The body of Christ has been in existence since its inception. However, no one denomination can make that claim and no one denomination is the *one true church* because the body of Christ is an organism, not an organization. The Catholic church is wrong about what constitutes the church.

5)Nonsense. Catholicism’s whole history is one of contradictory teachings, changing with the latest council or papal pronouncement. It’s one contradiction after another and has been demonstrated so on this forum regularly.

So the Catholic church has just disqualified itself by its own standards.


184 posted on 05/21/2015 4:38:23 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Your ridiculous logic in this post appeals to Roman Catholics evidently.


192 posted on 05/22/2015 6:31:26 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

More straw needed over here!


195 posted on 05/22/2015 6:39:47 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; All
Christ’s Church will be with us until the end of the world (”the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”)

Christ never said the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church.

Plus, prevail does not mean never overcome. I also means, ultimate victory. As in the Allies prevailed in WW2, but they didn't win every battle.

Dan 2 make it clear that after the great kingdoms of the earth are passed, He would setup His kingdom that WOULDN'T be destroyed.

Dan 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


If your assumption is correct why would God give this prophecy? It would be completely pointless unless He were foretelling of the recreation of His kingdom(Church) after it had been destroyed.


202 posted on 05/22/2015 8:35:37 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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