[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— Catholics don’t make decisions they submit. -—

“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector” —Jesus

[metmom]

That verse, taken out of context AGAIN, has been corrected many times and since it appears that it has not yet sunk in, I will post the verse IN CONTEXT again.....

This passage is not a blanket order to obey the leadership of any church which claims that it alone is the one true church.

It is at the end of a discourse addressing how to handle disputes in the body.

It lays out very specifically the steps one is to go through in resolving personal conflict within the body.

Matthew 18:15-20 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.

And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

NOWHERE does Jesus command us to "listen to the church".

The comment is *IF he does not listen to the church, then......*

That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage to claim or imply that it is a standing order of Jesus to listen to the Catholic church.

The clear meaning is here for everyone to see. It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church*.

[Elsie]

You are an unrepentant poster of this highly out of context verse yet once again.

Have you NO shame?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector” —Jesus

FLAGGED: Repetitive out-of-context quote that distorts the meaning of Jesus' words.

[Resettozero]

“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector” —Jesus

Since Jesus had not yet founded His Church when He said these words, what did He mean by this saying?

You cannot show evidence this is not instruction to the local assembly of believers in and followers of Him, or you would have produced admissible evidence years before now instead of mere RCC false claims.

Since RCs claim the Vatican religious organization is the one true church, an often-demonstrated (false) claim, still unprovable by the RCC through Scripture from the Holy Bible, and not in agreement with the Spirit of God, which is the actual Church founded by Jesus Christ on Himself?

While picking at the splinters in the eyes of non-Catholic Christians, your arrogant and prideful gang of rich rulers continues year after year to ignore that it is the RCCs own vision that is severely hindered to the point of blindness.

It is those certain Roman Catholic members that will not listen to the Church Jesus founded, the OTC, or to the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible. Thus, it is the unrepentant Roman Catholic who we should treat as a pagan or a tax collector.