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To: DeprogramLiberalism; Steelfish; editor-surveyor
I’ve given four detailed examples in this thread. Explain them.

Taken from here, and your conversation with Steelfish, which are the examples I suppose you are pointing to...

James insists that Christians must keep the OC Law, but Peter and Paul disagree [...]

This is a false statement - ALL of the Apostles promote Torah, as they must... And it surprises me that you have left John out of the mix...

Sin is transgression of Torah, so without Torah, there is no definition of sin, and no need for a savior.
And Torah is the standard by which doctrine and prophecy is judged... Without Torah, there is no standard, and in that, no means of measure.

Two filters are necessarily applied to interpretation:

Yeshua cannot have changed Torah, and his disciples cannot gainsay their master... To wit: Torah cannot be broken, and the words of Yeshua cannot be broken. Re-read with those two filters in place, and I guarantee your perspective will change. It takes both, because without law there is anarchy, and without mercy, there is tyranny - As hoomins have been so quick to prove in the last 2000 years...

I would humbly submit that without those two filters in place, one will inevitably fall into hundreds of logic traps such as the current false conundrum with which you are wrestling.

James insists that keeping the OC Law provides freedom, while Peter and Paul again disagree, instead teaching that keeping the OC Law is akin to slavery [...]

Again, a false statement. See above, and again, include John... And don't forget David either: Ps 119 would be a good place to start. Torah has always been liberty.

The rest of your questions don't interest me as much, as without a clear perspective on Torah, the rest is made moot.

Needless to say, this does little to defend the Roman church, which is certainly not my purpose, as it is the Roman church which has, by and large, promoted the perspective which I think you are still operating under... I have found it ever so hard to dislodge that status quo, even among Protestants and Evangelicals. Apply the two filters I suggested and reason will dictate the rest.

656 posted on 05/28/2015 5:06:24 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Psalms 119:34 "Give me understanding, and I shall keep your Law"
Ps. 119:163 I hate and abhor lying, But I love your Law".

The Law brings condemnation to the natural man and therefore he hates it. Those seeking peace with the Creator recognize the Law is a flashlight on their soul. The Law cannot save, that is not its purpose. You may try of your own strength to keep the Law, but will fail. The Law is to drive you to desperation and to cry out for help from the only Source of help in the universe to keep us from eternal damnation. Once a man is born again (and only then) will he see the Law as liberty, mercy and justice. Otherwise man will point at the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and say "Why does God punish us so, that we may not eat of it?" But in Truth, Adam looks back with severe regret and wishes he had followed the Law to the letter and saved everyone the mortality of mankind. In that very real sense, the Law is Life.

660 posted on 05/28/2015 5:47:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: roamer_1
>James insists that Christians must keep the OC Law, but Peter and Paul disagree<

>>>This is a false statement - ALL of the Apostles promote Torah, as they must...<<<

The OC Law is for sinners, not for saints (believers). Saints by definition do not sin. The Law has been fulfilled for them by Christ. I addressed this in this thread, On the Infallibility of Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium posts #53 and #55.

James insists that saints must keep the Law. Peter and Paul disagree. There is the contradiction (I provided the passages in earlier posts in this thread).

>James insists that keeping the OC Law provides freedom, while Peter and Paul again disagree, instead teaching that keeping the OC Law is akin to slavery<

>>>Again, a false statement.<<<

Again, I have provided the passages in previous posts that illustrate this contradiction.

You and editor-surveyor seem to be trolling this thread, attempting to take it off topic from the OP. I will not respond to you about keeping the OC Law unless you link it to the OP. Like I told editor-surveyor, if you wish to discuss keeping the OC Law apart from the topic of this thread, start a new thread.

664 posted on 05/28/2015 6:57:12 PM PDT by DeprogramLiberalism (<- a profile worth reading)
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