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To: LurkingSince'98; MeshugeMikey
Clement, who was ordained by Peter himself

A bold but disputed declaration.

St. Jerome tells us that in his time "most of the Latins" held that Clement was the immediate successor of the Apostle (Illustrious Men 15). St. Jerome himself in several other places follows this opinion, but here he correctly states that Clement was the fourth pope. The early evidence shows great variety. - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04012c.htm

Few details are known about Clement's life... Clement's only genuine extant writing is his letter to the church at Corinth. (1 Clement)

The Liber Pontificalis [an "unofficial instrument of pontifical propaganda," of biographies of popes from Saint Peter until the 15th century] , which documents the reigns of popes, states that Clement had known Saint Peter. It also states that he wrote two letters (though the second letter, 2 Clement, is no longer ascribed to him) and that he died in Greece in the third year of Emperor Trajan's reign, or 101 AD. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_I

And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit,182 to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons.

Which is a Biblical practice, but what is not and missing here, is that of ordaining a separate sacerdotal class of believers distinctively titled "priests" (hierus) which the Holy Spirit never titles NT clergy, and which only pertains to Jewish and pagan priests, while all believers make up the only sacerdotal priesthood in the NT church.

Distinctively titling NT presbuteros/episkopos priests was a later development, due to imposed functional equivalence supposing NT presbyteros engaged in a unique sacrificial ministry as a primary function.

See here before engaging in the usual etymological fallacy and vain defense of the the Cath practice.

Chapter XLIV.—The ordinances of the apostles, that there might be no contention respecting the priestly office.

The title does not correspond to the letter, as nowhere do i see any ordained priests as in Catholicism. Instead, presbyters have replaced the separate class of priests, while all believers are the only priests and all are called to sacrifice.

Moreover, what is missing here, and as shown elsewhere, and which even Cath scholarship provides testimony against, is that of a monarchical episcopate, with all the church looking to Peter as the first of a line of infallible popes reigning in Rome.

Which is simply a RC fantasy, absent from Scripture despite RC extrapolative eisegesis.

116 posted on 05/19/2015 10:06:01 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

it is taken directly from the protestant site

www.ccel.org

maybe your divinely inspired reading is better than theirs


183 posted on 05/19/2015 1:37:45 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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