Catholic women priests fight for inclusion -- for all

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/05/catholic_women_priests_fight_for_inclusion_--_for.html ^ | May 03, 2015 | Mark Di Ionno

[Gamecock]

Haven’t you heard? In Rome everybody is a Pope!

[NRx]

“When the Catholic church ex-communicates them, then you are free to disown them.

Until then, it’s not your decision to make.”

Ummm... they are excommunicated.

[metmom]

Where is the decree from Rome?

[goodwithagun]

I finally had time to read the article. These twits aren’t even Christian!

“But the differences between Rome-scripted ordination and the RCWP’s ceremony were apparent. One was the gender-neutral liturgy. The word Lord was absent. God was not exclusively called Father, but Creator God, Creator Spirit and Life-Giving Mother, Gentle Father. Christ’s disciples, a heavily male-oriented word, were described as friends. The prayer over the Eucharist is said by the whole church, meaning the congregation shares the power to bring the body and blood of Christ into their midst.”

[Campion]

Heretics are latae sententiae excommunicated; no decree is required.

[metmom]

The Church is taking the cowards way out.

Instead of taking a stand and following the prescribed way that is found in Scripture, that Catholics claim the Catholic church wrote, they just make a blanket, vague, general statement that whoever disagrees with them is automatically ex-communicated.

And then they turn around and give them a Catholic funeral, just like Kennedy.

It goes to show just how much a person ex-communicates themselves and how the Church looks at that.

It’s meaningless when the Church goes on and gives them a Catholic funeral after all.

[darkangel82]

Maybe they have a liberal bishop who ignores church law? That seems to be a problem these days.

[NRx]

Where is the decree from Rome?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/05/general-decree-of-congregation-for.html

Congregatio Pro Doctrina Fidei

Decretum generale

de delicto attentatae sacrae ordinationis mulieris

Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei, ad naturam et validitatem sacramenti sacri ordinis tuendam, vigore specialis facultatis sibi a suprema Ecclesiae auctoritate in casu tributae (cfr can. 30 Codicis Iuris Canonici), in Congregatione Ordinaria diei 19 Decembris 2007, decrevit:

Firmo praescripto can. 1378 Codicis Iuris Canonici, tum quicumque sacrum ordinem mulieri conferre, tum mulier quae sacrum ordinem recipere attentaverit, in excommunicationem latae sententiae Sedi Apostolicae reservatam incurrit.

Si vero qui mulieri sacrum ordinem conferre vel mulier quae sacrum ordinem recipere attentaverit, christifidelis fuerit Codici Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium subiectus, firmo praescripto can. 1443 eiusdem Codicis, excommunicatione maiore puniatur, cuius remissio etiam reservatur Sedi Apostolicae (cfr can. 1423 Codicis Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium).

Hoc decretum cum in L'Osservatore Romano evulgabitur, statim vigere incipiet.

Gulielmus Cardinalis Levada

Praefectus

Angelus Amato, s.d.b.

Archiep. titularis Silensis a Secretis

29-05-AD 2008

[RnMomof7]

yup

[RnMomof7]

There is no biblical position of priest in the NT... so these women have every bit as much right to this made up position as any man

[virgil]

Even Ted Kennedy was not beyond God’s mercy. The funeral was not sacramental for Ted Kennedy either. He was dead.

[metmom]

That the church gave it means they gave him their stamp of approval.

[Campion]

I think you’re confusing a funeral Mass with a canonization. Although it’s absolutely true that manifest grave public sinners are not to be given a church funeral.

[Campion]

Unless you’re prepared to cite examples of unrepentant priestesses who had church funerals, your objection is malarkey. Often these cases result in a formal decree from the diocesan bishop noting that the persons involved are excommunicated. I understand that neither that, nor their status as latae sententiae excommunicated (and under interdict, as soon as they attempt to celebrate Mass) satisfies you, but nothing would, so it’s moot.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Catholic women priests fight for inclusion -- for all

Actually they don't.

[metmom]

I’ve been in different Evangelical churches which practiced church discipline for moral issues.

In one case, the woman was in adultery, and anticipating that the church would remove her name from its membership rolls, she requested/demanded that they remove her name before official action was taken at the church business meeting.

The pastor and elders told everyone about what she had done, and yet still went ahead with the official removal of her name. They wanted to make it a point to the congregation that they were serious about that and not shirking their responsibility because she had her name removed beforehand.

THAT is the kind of leadership a church should have.

And that is the kind of leadership the Catholic church does NOT have.

[virgil]

That the church gave it means they gave him their stamp of approval.

Just because you bury someone doesn't mean you approve of their sins. Nobody would get a Christian burial if we denied it because we sin. Well, he was a sinner alright. The question is, did he repent? I hope he did.

[GeronL]

bump

[mlizzy]

In one case, the woman was in adultery, and anticipating that the church would remove her name from its membership rolls, she requested/demanded that they remove her name before official action was taken at the church business meeting.

The pastor and elders told everyone about what she had done, and yet still went ahead with the official removal of her name. They wanted to make it a point to the congregation that they were serious about that and not shirking their responsibility because she had her name removed beforehand.

THAT is the kind of leadership a church should have.

Wouldn't it be considered a sin to even LISTEN to such an admonishment? I think the pastor, in the instance you referenced, caused a lot of people to sin that day.

[goodwithagun]

I hope the woman found a better church, one to pray for her and help her live a better life.