Pope Francis praises Junipero Serra as U.S. 'founding father'

Los Angeles Times ^ | 5-3-15 | Harriet Ryan

[Salvation]

Wow!

[xone]

Googled it

As did I. wiki is very contradictory with its 'facts' in this manner. I was hoping you had something else.

[GSWarrior]

The left can go back to hating the pope again.

[xone]

Well, he died in 84. How did he hear about the no shoes and manage to get money for shoes to Washington in the same winter? No telegraph, railroad, prevailing wind works against smoke signals. Spain was an enemy of England so it couldn’t have been delivered by ship.

Sounds like a nice story without basis in fact.

[BlueDragon]

Looks like baseless rumor and repetitious jibber-jabber, to me.

When you have something more solid, like some document from that era, then let us know.

Meanwhile, this should be dismissed as unsubstantiated rumor.

From one of those links, http://www.newmanconnection.com/faith/saint/blessed-junipero-serra-ofm;

His zeal frequently led him to extraordinary means in order to move the people to penance, he would pound his chest with a stone while at the pulpit, publicly scourge himself, or apply a lit torch to his bare chest – burning himself.

Sound like a whack-job.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Washington’s army had no shoes in ‘76. That is EIGHT years before Fr. Serra died in ‘84. Plenty of time to send a donation.

Do you think that these people were unaware of world events? They didn’t live in a vacuum. The clergy, in particular, were well informed with dispatches going back and forth all the time.

[xone]

Valley Forge was during the winter of 1777-78. How did the donation get to Washington? By ship? Bank transfer? As for hearing about it, no problem, but there is no way that Serra heard, raised the money, got it sent to Washington @ Valley Forge. No way. No Panama Canal no telegraph, nothing. A nice story, no facts.

[SoCal Pubbie]

A Founding Father of the United States has a very specific meaning. Serra doesn’t meet the qualifications, sorry. I’m not a Serra hater. I just call a spade a spade. I don’t call a club a spade however.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It's from the Letters of Captain Don Pedro Fages and the Reverend President Fr Junipero Serra at San Diego, California by Henry R. Wagner (LINK)

[bmwcyle]

AMEN

[bmwcyle]

AMEN

[xone]

Thank you. Of course it didn’t get there for Valley Forge, but he did send it. The wiki page needs a citation on this act, this looks like it would do.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you, xone.