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To: Mrs. Don-o; PapaNew
You're good with Scripture, PapaNew. Really good. You're just not good with enough of it.

But you are, eh???

How Scripture proclaims we are saved:

Since some are correct; I just took a couple out of the center to research...

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

You get saved by coming to a knowledge of the truth??? According to scripture???

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Well you perverted that scripture pretty good...It says AND to come to the knowledge of the truth, NOT 'by' coming to a knowledge of the truth...And the next one???

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ya sin once and it's over??? I will say with confidence that you don't know any Catholic who has never sinned, including yourself...So it sounds like you are in a heap of trouble

191 posted on 04/27/2015 11:25:26 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; PapaNew
About the Timothy verses:

Isn't Christ the Way, the Truth and the Life? Is there any way you can be saved without knowledge of Christ, i.e. the Truth?

About the Hebrews verses:

"Ya sin once and it's over???"

I just quoted the Scripture. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the guy who wrote Hebrews. (And by the way, I don't say "Ya sinned once and it's over.")

I would be foolish to claim to be a theologian: I have often said I'm just a kid in the Peanut Gallery, repeating what others have said. However, the one thing that I notice, whenever I post this list of how Scripture says we are saved, is that nobody ever rises to the task of showing how they could all be true, i.e. harmonizing and combining the different aspects which are reflected in this multiplicity of verses.

I suggested two ways:

If you don't express that somehow, then you end up not even comprehending what St. James means when he says "Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith alone*?" (James 2:22) Does Paul give "a stern warning and a double curse" to James? No, he agrees:

"And though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

We even love, and do good works, by grace. So there you go.


*By the way, this is the only place in Scripture where the phrase "faith alone" is found: "NOT by faith alone"

194 posted on 04/27/2015 12:03:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of accuracy.)
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