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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax-collector.<<

That's "tell it to the assembly (ekklesia) of the local group he has been meeting with. It is they who would decide not to allow that person to meet with them any longer. The Catholic Church attempts to usurp that right from the local assembly. Thus we have paedophile priests who the Catholic Church forces onto local assemblies of Catholics and Catholics who have been conditioned to submit their "will and intellect" rather than assert their God given duty.

115 posted on 04/25/2015 2:04:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
That doesn't solve things. This pastor

evident has a local ekklesia. a church he has been meeting with. He's the pastor of it! "Presbyterian, father of four, abortion enthusiast"

They haven't booted him out. What makes you think he will get correction from them?

What if the local group he has been meeting with, consists of him, his wife, and his teenage son?

And what if the local group I have been meeting with, consists of me, my identical twin, and my BFF?

What if his local group disagrees with my local group?

Hatfields and McCoys?



140 posted on 04/25/2015 2:37:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information)
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To: CynicalBear
I meant to give you the link to the abortion-enthusiast pastor story:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3282884/posts

His local ekklesia won't correct him. I daresay most local ekklesias don't correct errant pastors. It's a problem.

As for Diocesan bishops foisting priest-abusers onto local parishes: the parishioners' "submission of mind and will" is not to pastor, bishop, or even pope: their "submission" is to Truth which Christ teaches us through the Catholic Church. Saints went head-to-head against dingbat clergy --- even the highest dingbat clergy --- about this.

145 posted on 04/25/2015 3:00:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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