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To: Colofornian; All
"..no hubby, no living with Heavenly Father eternally." These are your words and they are wrong.

Tell us Stormprepper, why would the Lds powers that be add in the 2009 version "must be married for eternity...in the next" when Joseph Smith taught in D&C 132 that no marriages are done in the "next life?"

If you were lead by the Holy Ghost He would have shown you the answer. But you're not and therefore blind to the truth. You read and read but you can't come to a knowledge of the truth.

D & C 132 :
15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

*Living with Heavenly Father does not require exaltation only to be saved. Exaltation is the goal, but not required to just live in the kingdom of God. Like I said.

Now, you've spent pages and pages trying to claim something that I've just shown you isn't true. Living with Heavenly Father does not require exaltation as you've been trying to prove through your misreading of LDS doctrine.

[Colofornian]"..no hubby, no living with Heavenly Father eternally."

Those are your words. And I've shown you that you are wrong.

After reading these, will you repent of your accusations? Or will you stiffen?

Will you follow your own admonition? Will you repent of your false accusation?
57 posted on 04/26/2015 9:52:27 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper; All
*Living with Heavenly Father does not require exaltation only to be saved. Exaltation is the goal, but not required to just live in the kingdom of God.

Questions at hand tied to first topic: Is 'Exaltation' the lone degree of 'salvation' where a person lives with Heavenly Father? IoW, can lesser 'kingdom enrollees' in Mormonism's 'Three Degrees of Glory' scheme advance to the celestial kingdom?

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”Living with Heavenly Father does not require exaltation only to be saved. Exaltation is the goal, but not required to just live in the kingdom of God.” StormPrepper Post #57 (1) 71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father...77 These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father....79 These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain NOT the crown over the kingdom of our God. D&C 76:71,77,79 ”Exaltation is to dwell in the presence of God and to be like him.” (see also: “The telestial kingdom is not a kingdom of exaltation; the terrestrial kingdom is not a kingdom of exaltation...”) Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43-44 (see also source is same, 2:12-13) ”No progression between kingdoms. After a person has been assigned to his place in the kingdom, either in the telestial, the terrestrial, or the celestial, or to his exaltation, he will never advance from his assigned glory to another glory. That is eternal! That is why we must make our decisions early in life and why it is imperative that such decisions be right.” Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 50 (See also The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 243-244) ”There are those who say that there is progression from one kingdom to another in the eternal worlds or if not that, lower kingdoms eventually progress to where higher kingdoms once were. This is worse than false. It is an evil and pernicious doctrine. It lulls men into a state of carnal security.” Bruce R. McConkie, “Seven Deadly Heresies,” BYU address, June 1, 1980 (1) ”The question is often asked, 'Is it possible for one who attains telestial glory in time in the eternal world to live so well that he may graduate from the telestial and pass into the terrestrial, and then after a season that he may progress from that and be ultimately worthy of the celestial glory?' That is the query that has been asked. I have just read the answer, so far as the telestial group is concerned. 'Where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.' I take it upon the same basis, the same argument likewise applies to the terrestrial world. Those whose lives have entitled them to terrestrial glory can never gain celestial glory. One who gains possession of the lowest degree of the telestial glory may ultimately arise to the highest degree of that glory, but no provision has been made for promotion from one glory to another.” (2) ”Some of my brethren and sisters find it very difficult to understand the words of the prophet, wherein he said that those who gain a lower place of glory than a celestial kingdom cannot come where those who gain the highest dwell, worlds without end.” (1) Melvin J. Ballard, “Three Degrees of Glory,” Ogden Tabernacle discourse, Oct. 22, 1922, pp. 25-27 and (2) Ballard, Conference Reports, October 1917, p. 110 (1) Eternal life is living with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in the celestial kingdom. This blessing--which is also called exaltation--comes only to those who keep the commandments and make the necessary covenants ... ”Immortality is to live forever as a resurrected being. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, everyone will receive this gift. Eternal life, or exaltation, is to inherit a place in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, where we will live in God’s presence and continue as families.” + (2) ”There are some people who have supposed that if we are quickened telestial bodies that eventually, throughout the ages of eternity, we will continue to progress until we will find our place in the celestial kingdom, but the scriptures and revelations of God have said that those who are quickened telestial bodies cannot come where God and Christ dwell, worlds without end” (1) Preparing for Exaltation Teacher's Manual, pp. 4, 52, 1998 + (2) George Albert Smith, 8th “prophet,” Conference Reports, October, 1945, p. 172. (See also Search These Commandments, 1984, p. 81) “’Eternal life’ is a higher state than immortality alone and means to live forever in a resurrected condition in the presence of God, and to become like God…Eternal life is exaltation into the type and quality of life that God lives. Receiving eternal life is conditional, predicated upon obedience to the fullness of gospel law and ordinances (D&C 29:43-44; 130:20-21). It requires voluntary obedience to all of the ordinances and principles of the gospel…continuing through…the covenants of the Endowment and marriage in the temple…” Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 2:677-678

58 posted on 04/29/2015 3:49:59 AM PDT by Colofornian
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