Three Things You're Probably Getting Wrong about Praying to the Saints

Shameless popery ^ | April 20, 2015

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...but then I've been a Catholic all of my life.

Yes, that can be an insurmountable problem for many RCs. But not all. Some RCs have responded to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and have believed and followed Him alone and come out of it.

[Resettozero]

You knew what that girl was thinking? Wow, I wasn't aware that mind reading was a gift of the Holy Spirit...

Your brand of posting is vaguely familiar. You've been here before under another log-in?

By the way, what you posted is truly blasphemous on a couple of levels. You've been notified.

[NYer]

The RCC has through history taught and then retracted several interpretations of scripture

Name them.

[Gamecock]

Both are bad for you, so I would say no.

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More accurately, it was a logical fallacy known as the false analogy.

Now, THAT does sound VERY familiar. Time for a good search of FR.

You sure you're not a retread?

[Syncro]

You knew what that girl was thinking?

Nothing in my post conveyed anything that could make anyone believe I said anything even close to that. Now that is mindreading, twisting my post into something you can attack me with, you are fitting in real good here. Same ol' same ol'

Good job.

Cement doesn't think, did you think the stature was a real person?

[DannyTN]

God loves the sinner, he hates the sin.

In the story of Jonah, everyone knew Ninevah was wicked. God was prepared to destroy them. But He still loved them. And he sent Jonah to them. Jonah didn't want to go. Jonah wanted Ninevah to get what they had coming to them. Enter very big fish, swallows Jonah, Jonah decides to obey and go. Ninevah repents! Jonah is mad, because Jonah wanted Ninevah destroyed.

9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, [even] unto death. 10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: 11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and [also] much cattle?

God's love is eternal. There's not a person on earth that God didn't knit together in his mother's womb and who God doesn't care for. But God anger at injustice and evil is eternal too. And God will destory evil if the people won't repent.

God loves us before we're his. He loves us despite the sin. But He won't tolerate the sin for ever.

[Mrs. Don-o]

We'd have to go through the quotes one by one, which I don't have time to do right now, though if you would want to take it up later, go ahead and send me some.

Dogmas of the Church would include Mary's ever-virginity, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, her role as pre-eminent intercessor within the Communion of Saints, her title of Theotokos (Mother of God)--- I'm missing some, but that's basically it.

Poetic titles would include most everything that's in the Litany of Loreto, which are very beautiful and which are understood metaphorically.

There are a huge number of titles relating to places of apparitions (Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Fatima) but as "Private Revelation,", they are not de fide (you don't have to believe them) and they are not the subject of dogma.

"Public revelation", which is de fide, ended with the death of the last Apostle. "Private Revelation" means any supernatural phenomena (visions, dreams, locutions, etc) happening after that. No private revelation is considered de fide --- even if this revelation came to you personally, you would not be obliged to believe it. Even "approved" apparitions (e.g. Fatima) can only confirm, and cannot contradict, that which we believe by Public Revelation.

A lot of people don't "get" that. I'm just making it clear, I hope.

Anything that suggests that Mary is equal to, or even greater than God, would be seriously objectionable. For instance, here on the Religion Forum awhile back, somebody was quoted as saying that it's better to pray to Mary than to Jesus, because her answers are surer and quicker. I think that's heretical. It's certainly not a doctrine of the Church.

The problem with your assertion is that you are mixing together dogmas, poetic metaphors, mystical experiences (private revelation) and statements that are prima facie heretical.

I can see why that happens, because too many Catholic writers are not careful to distinguish one from another. However, it is a mistake which results in wrong conclusions and widespread confusion.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thanks for this, rwa.

[Resettozero]

But He won't tolerate the sin for ever.

Yes and that is the money line. Not even in someone is dressed as an angel of light.

A religious person's time to decide in favor of the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone better not wait on Purgatory.

(What if all the RCC fellas were actually WRONG --or lying--) and Purgatory doesn't exist. They were. Scripturally, it doesn't. Just the resurrection of the not-born-again-of-the-Spirit dead to face the Great White Throne with no Advocate for them.)

[rwa265]

All of the “dubious” quotes provided are from people who the catholic church would consider to be doctors, saints or other reputable people in catholicism.

As I noted earlier this is the problem with catholic tradition. All of these guys could claim they received their authority from the apostles.

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Much or what you say is true, but one must keep in mind that not every statement made by every reputable Catholic is in and of itself Sacred Tradition. That’s what prompted my question in post 256 regarding the statement by F.X. Durrwell about Mary as mediatrix of all graces. As for as I know, this has not been affirmed as Catholic doctrine, and, as such, is not Sacred Tradition.

[Syncro]

You have got to be kidding, it seems Eucharista (isn't that what is worshiped in "adoration" rooms?) has been around FR for a long time:

Quote:This forum has been in a constant state of stir for decades.

So for 20 or more years?

"In a constant state of stir for decades"---even long before it even existed!

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...but one must keep in mind that not every statement made by every reputable Catholic is in and of itself Sacred Tradition.

Oh, one does. And one doesn't care whether all the RCC clergy can keep their stories straight or not. It's a bogus cult sending _illions to their eternal deaths and eternal separation from the God of love many RCs claim to know and DO NOT.

[FateAmenableToChange]

This is ridiculous. I did. This is not worth responding to.

[Resettozero]

So for 20 or more years?

He/she/it was just rounding off to the nearest decade.

(What is it, going on 17 years now?)

BTW, still cannot place which FReeper it was that used that phrase I mentioned above repeatedly. FReepSearch is unfruitful today but I'll try another time maybe.

[rwa265]

And one doesn’t care whether all the RCC clergy can keep their stories straight or not. It’s a bogus cult sending _illions to their eternal deaths and eternal separation from the God of love many RCs claim to know and DO NOT.

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I wish you had the same understanding of the Catholic Church that I do. The Church I know is centered on the teachings of Christ and is bringing its followers into communion with Him and His eternal salvation.

[Syncro]

"No Danny, God loves those that are His.."

Now THAT is another Gospel.

Yes it is, it's the Gospel of God.

Amazing that anyone could think that God does not love those that are his, or that he does not hate anyone.

Here's some Bible:

Malachi 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

² I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,

³ And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

This was posted earlier, did you see it? It's from the Bible

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2012/09/06/does-god-love-everyone/

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I wish you had the same understanding of the Catholic Church that I do. The Church I know is centered on the teachings of Christ and is bringing its followers into communion with Him and His eternal salvation.

The RCC is NOT! The Holy Spirit of God pointing only to the Word of God IS!

Many RCs have been deceived into a comfortably and carnal Christian-clone religion which is very satisfying to them, beautiful, emotional at times and, at the final Judgment, is a lie.

I tell you the truth.