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Three Things You're Probably Getting Wrong about Praying to the Saints
Shameless popery ^ | April 20, 2015

Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:59 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Resettozero; Eucharista; Mrs. Don-o

Actually our new FRiend Eucharista is quite correct.

It all goes back to Mrs. Don-o’s post 287. Just because when Catholics ask for intercessory prayer from the Saints it takes the form of prayer, doesn’t mean it’s any different than if I were to ask you, or any other Christian to pray for me.

The prayers to the Saints are simply requests for them to intercede on our behalf, no less “un-Scriptual” than asking someone on Earth to pray for us.

And it’s certainly not “un-Scriptual” to venerate those who are worthy of honor, as I have demonstrated.

But you apparently subscribe to the idea of “soul sleep” so I guess this point is moot to you.


361 posted on 04/21/2015 12:09:00 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Eucharista
Everything I post is verifiable at www.vatican.va

Proves absolutely nothing. Want a copy of The Watchtower?
362 posted on 04/21/2015 12:10:19 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
Want a copy of The Watchtower?

Thanks but I just got one last Thursday when the nice JW lady stopped by. Thankfully my one year old grandson picked that exact time to have a tricycle wreck in the driveway requiring me to scoop him up and rush into the house.

363 posted on 04/21/2015 12:12:29 PM PDT by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: FourtySeven
Actually our new FRiend Eucharista is quite correct.

You speak for yourself, 47.

Actually, Eucharista hasn't addressed anything pertaining to what you just posted.

So far, Eucharista is a newbie with bluster and little else to show.
364 posted on 04/21/2015 12:13:39 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: FourtySeven

Thank you.


365 posted on 04/21/2015 12:15:18 PM PDT by Eucharista
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To: Resettozero
"Actually, in fact, for a certainty...you do have a lot to prove to every FReeper here."

Actually, in fact, for a certainty....everyone must determine for themselves what is and is not true. Non-Catholics choose to trust in their own faculties and fallible cognitive abilities, whereas Catholics choose to trust in the Magisterium of the Church preserved from error by the Paraclete. Again, I am not here to convince or convert you nor am I here to debate.

366 posted on 04/21/2015 12:15:18 PM PDT by Eucharista
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To: Resettozero; Eucharista
Actually, Eucharista hasn't addressed anything pertaining to what you just posted.

Actually, you are the one demonstrating "bluster" at this moment. Eucharista did indeed post something "pertaining to what" I posted. In post 341. Read it yourself.

367 posted on 04/21/2015 12:17:21 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: nascarnation
Thanks but I just got one last Thursday when the nice JW lady stopped by.

JWs usually visit in pairs. One acerbic mysterious person and a trainee.

As you probably know, by mentioned the JW publication (I don't even know if they still publish it) I called attention to a brand new poster pimping the website homepage of their immensely large religious cult.


368 posted on 04/21/2015 12:18:24 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Mrs. Don-o; daniel1212
Latching onto dubious non-doctrinal statements seems to show polemicism rather than the patient discernment of the truth. Lobbing one dubious specimen after another into the discussion is a disorienting rhetorical ploy, not a way to advance understanding

The problem with your assertion is that these are not dubious statements.

They are consistent with official catholic teachings regarding Mary.

All of the "dubious" quotes provided are from people who the catholic church would consider to be doctors, saints or other reputable people in catholicism.

As I noted earlier this is the problem with catholic tradition. All of these guys could claim they received their authority from the apostles. How can you deny it?

I know these quotes must sting. If I were catholic they would make me re-evaluate what I believe.

The telling part is that no one has denied these as legit statements or the writers of these statements or positions of catholicism regarding Mary. They are from catholic websites.

369 posted on 04/21/2015 12:19:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Resettozero

There were two ladies in the car, and the one doing the visit.
My daughter said the visit lady is on some type of apprenticeship.


370 posted on 04/21/2015 12:20:05 PM PDT by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: FourtySeven
Actually, you are the one demonstrating "bluster" at this moment. Eucharista did indeed post something "pertaining to what" I posted. In post 341. Read it yourself.

Dodgeball it is then.
371 posted on 04/21/2015 12:21:27 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: nascarnation

Cult.


372 posted on 04/21/2015 12:22:16 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Eucharista; Religion Moderator
I am not here to convince or convert you nor am I here to debate.

Me either. So, it's the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ versus whatever you say that can be verified by the Vatican. That's the way it's always been. Since you sound pontifical and authoritative enough. Do whatever it is you came here to do...but do it quickly.
373 posted on 04/21/2015 12:27:49 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Eucharista

You’re welcome.


374 posted on 04/21/2015 12:30:42 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Resettozero
The word “cult” connotes neither good nor evil. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines a cult as “a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also: its body of adherents.”
In a Catholic context, a cult means a devotion to the person of Jesus, a saint, holy place, or holy relic.

Now, before “devotion” is mischaracterizewd it is the disposition of will to do promptly what concerns the worship and service of God. Although devotion is primarily a disposition or attitude of the will, acts of the will that proceed from such disposition are also expressions of devotion. Essential to devotion is readiness to do whatever gives honor to God, whether in public or private prayer (worship) or in doing the will of God (service). A person who is thus disposed is said to be devoted. His devotedness is ultimately rooted in a great love for God, which in spiritual theology is often called devotion. (Etym. Latin devotio, state, act, or expression of being devoted; from devovere, to vow.)

375 posted on 04/21/2015 12:33:25 PM PDT by Eucharista
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To: Resettozero

Nor getting off to a good start.

Not a way to make a good first impression.


376 posted on 04/21/2015 12:34:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Syncro

It’s staggering and yet Catholics STILL insist that they don’t deify Mary.


377 posted on 04/21/2015 12:37:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Resettozero

Discuss the issues only, but do not make it personal.


378 posted on 04/21/2015 12:39:07 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Eucharista; Resettozero
The word “cult” connotes neither good nor evil.

In discussions on this board "cult" never means a good thing.

379 posted on 04/21/2015 12:39:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SumProVita

Nope. That was an example on how to pray. I say prayers from my heart.


380 posted on 04/21/2015 12:39:40 PM PDT by MamaB
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