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The Church Is Visible and One: A Critique of Protestant Ecclesiology
Orthodox Christian Information Center (PDF) ^ | Patrick Barnes

Posted on 04/20/2015 11:50:07 AM PDT by NRx

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1 posted on 04/20/2015 11:50:07 AM PDT by NRx
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To: NRx

Meanwhile, Islam advances.


2 posted on 04/20/2015 11:51:30 AM PDT by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Lorianne; metmom; RnMomof7

We post a thread about Roman Catholcism and we are called haters and it gets yanked.


3 posted on 04/20/2015 11:58:51 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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“Visible and One”...says one-half of the “Great Schism” churches.


4 posted on 04/20/2015 12:05:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock

Excepting really fringe stuff (i.e. Jack Chick) I can’t remember any anti-Catholic attack posts getting pulled. And for the record, this is not intended as a polemical attack post. It is a fairly sober and scholarly critique. Critical to be sure. But not in any way on the same level as a lot of the stuff I see being routinely posted that accuse the Romans of being a pseudo-Christian cult.


5 posted on 04/20/2015 12:09:17 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Well then you have it greatly narrowed down. All you have to do is figure out which one is the real church and which is in schism. ;-)


6 posted on 04/20/2015 12:12:19 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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And the popemobile touts the Coexist bumper sticker no doubt... expanding the church to all comers of various religions, so we can live in pece and harmony, except for Israel of course...


7 posted on 04/20/2015 12:22:06 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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I have no idea what you are talking about or what the connection is to this post.


8 posted on 04/20/2015 12:23:54 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: Gamecock

Good thing RC’s never post hit pieces about Protestants.


9 posted on 04/20/2015 12:26:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

What do the Romans have to do with this post?


10 posted on 04/20/2015 12:28:13 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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Truth isn’t for everyone, only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear... I’ll bet your’ve never heard of the coming Great Deception either...


11 posted on 04/20/2015 12:29:22 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Gamecock
We post a thread about Roman Catholcism and we are called haters and it gets yanked.

GC, there is no danger of me EVER swimming the Tiber, being as I already crossed it in reverse. 😂😅😹😱👍

12 posted on 04/20/2015 12:32:35 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: dps.inspect

If it is relevant to the posted article feel free to raise the point. But I am going to guess you haven’t read much if any of the post.


13 posted on 04/20/2015 12:34:02 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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Thank you for posting this. I’ll print it off to read the entire 37 pages. It is not often one sees anything from the Eastern Orthodox house of Christianity. My personal belief is that all of us who are followers of Jesus, need to focus on what unites us under Him rather than what divides us.


14 posted on 04/20/2015 12:49:48 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NRx
Excepting really fringe stuff (i.e. Jack Chick) I can’t remember any anti-Catholic attack posts getting pulled. And for the record, this is not intended as a polemical attack post. It is a fairly sober and scholarly critique. Critical to be sure. But not in any way on the same level as a lot of the stuff I see being routinely posted that accuse the Romans of being a pseudo-Christian cult.

Soberly and scholarly??? I think not...Why no mention of ALL of the forgeries of your so called scholarly works your religion pushes onto willfully ignorant Catholics who are marching onward thru the fog??? Just as this article does...

But this is all it amounts to...Blind faith...

In short, accusations of “begging the question” will fall on deaf ears. The Church—as it has been historically expressed and understood in the Nicene Creed—is an object of faith. In this sense, belief in the Church is no different than belief in God. The Church as an infallible “pillar and ground of the Truth” cannot be proven empirically. We are simply to believe in it.

15 posted on 04/20/2015 12:53:22 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: dps.inspect

Well, there is a big difference between a bumper sticker, a popemobile and some kumbiya theme, from the true Church.

No one is much “For” any of those claims you mentioned, no matter the source near the top.


16 posted on 04/20/2015 12:53:47 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: NRx; Gamecock; metmom; Iscool
What do the Romans have to do with this post?

Yes, why is it that a post by an Eastern Orthodox FReeper, from an Orthodox website, about Orthodox ecclesiology ... is filled with invective by Protestants against "Roman" [sic] Catholics?

17 posted on 04/20/2015 1:05:16 PM PDT by Campion
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“Why no mention of ALL of the forgeries of your so called scholarly works your religion pushes onto willfully ignorant Catholics who are marching onward thru the fog???”

Reading a post before replying to it can help you avoid posting silly comments addressing issues that don’t exist. Neither the author nor I are Roman Catholics. This article has very little to do with the Roman Church.


18 posted on 04/20/2015 1:09:20 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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“Revelation 12:7-12

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

Accuser of the Brethren. Aye, so this is where you landed!

So noted.


19 posted on 04/20/2015 1:32:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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Twenty or so comments, subtract a few of my own, but NOT ONE RESPONSE to the substance of the original post....

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20 posted on 04/20/2015 1:43:10 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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