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To: CTrent1564
>>And yes I read the passage,<<

Then you should have know my answer to your question rather than asking it again.

>>I can find nobody before Luther, Calvin and Zwingli that shared your views<<

Once again, show where the apostles taught the veneration of those who passed from this life. If you can't it has to be something the Catholic Church added doesn't it.

171 posted on 04/18/2015 12:59:40 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Cynical:

They did not teach against it, and there were relics that were used to heal even in the NT, such as a Handkerchief of Saint Paul, as recounted in Acts 19:11-12. That would be an indirect example from the NT as it was not directly a bone of Saint Paul, etc. the Most direct case is found in the OT in 2 Kings 13: 20-21 where the bones of the Prophet Elisha healed a dead Man. Of course, a literal reading of the text means that the bones of the prophet did it, but orthodox Catholic theology would say, and I would agree, that God in his providential wisdom and power used the bones of the Prophet Elisha to restore the dead man.

So the Bible taken as a whole, at least citing these 2 examples, does not forbid the veneration of relics or the use of them.

As Saint Jerome wrote [and he was among the greatest, if not greatest biblical translator of the early Church]

“We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are.”

He read and translated the entire NT into the Latin Vulgate. I would think he would have read the same scripture passage you cited and if it meant what you say it means, would not have written what he wrote above.

For the record, at least you are staying within the topic of the thread and not moving to tangential topics. While I don’t agree with you, I do respect and appreciate you staying to the point of the thread and posting in a solid manner. I have no problem with debate and disagreement, I don’t have much use for bait and switch and sniper posts and playing paste a scripture, etc.


173 posted on 04/18/2015 1:23:13 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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