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(Catholic) Religious Superiors Call for Rethinking about Gay Couples ... [Catholic Caucus]
New Ways Ministry ^ | March 28, 2015 | Bob Shine

Posted on 03/29/2015 9:24:39 AM PDT by ebb tide

Germany’s religious superiors of men’s and women’s communities released a statement that calls for a more expansive understanding of sexuality and, specifically, a rethinking of the church’s treatment of same-gender couples. Meanwhile, the U.S.’s Cardinal Raymond Burke compared these couples to “kind murderers” in his most recent interview.

The German Conference of Religious Superiors prepared the eight-page statement for that nation’s bishops as part of their broader preparations for the upcoming Synod of Bishops. In it, the 430 superiors, who represent the country’s 22,800 religious, note that most lesbian and gay people feel unwelcome. The National Catholic Reporter quoted from the document:

” ‘Christians of homosexual orientation talk to us quite openly about how they feel that they are just not accepted,’ the statement said.

“Many gay people aspire to a Christian lifestyle and to lifelong, faithful partnerships, but they cannot accept that the church requires them to remain celibate. More and more Catholics in city parishes no longer think that blessing gay partnerships would push Christian marriage into the closet, the statement said. They deplore that so many gay people are leaving or have long since left the church because they feel unaccepted, it continued.”

More generally, the statement appeals to church leaders to trust the faithful, who understand sexuality as “important and precious” while jettisoning unhealthy ideals from the past. The superiors state:

” ‘The faithful in the core sectors of our communities specifically appeal to those responsible in the church to put greater trust in them…They would certainly welcome more help in decisions of conscience but are critical of pastors who interfere with a heavy hand’. . .

” ‘Our church must be an inviting church. Public interest in the questions of marriage, family and sexuality have been aroused by the Episcopal Synod’s dialogue process. Let us humbly and courageously use this opportunity to find new, long overdue answers to these questions together…This is a good pastoral chance to do so — let us use it with the strength that God gives us!’ “

Directly challenging the more progressive and inclusive views of the German leaders is Cardinal Raymond Burke, formerly of St. Louis. In his recent interview with a conservative Catholic news outlet, Burke spoke about the discussions around marriage and family arising around the synod process. Burke, who was removed by Pope Francis from a high-ranking Vatican position last year, expressed lament at the “confusion” created by these discussions and the fact that situations, like Bishop Johann Bonny’s call for the church to bless same-sex unions, have gone “undisciplined.”

At one point, he denigrated faithful same-gender partners, people who are divorced and remarried, and non-married cohabiting couples. When the interviewer mentioned that such people sometimes display kindness, generosity, and dedication, Burke responded:

“It’s like the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people.”

Michael Sean Winters of the National Catholic Reporter took Burke to task:

“No, Your Eminence, it is NOT like that. A person who is gay and tries to find a companion with whom to live life, or a woman whose first marriage failed and she is trying to make a new life, these people are not like a murderer. And, in +Burke’s twisted view of the world, it is the murderer who can confess her sins and be re-admitted to communion…It is twisted.”

Mark Silk of Religion News Service notes that it is unlikely Burke will be welcomed to participate in this October’s Synod and is stuck lobbing criticisms from outside the walls through his ceremonial post with the Order of Malta.

These widely divergent statements from the Germans and Burke indicate the growing tension among church leaders on sexuality issues. There are those, like the German religious superiors, capable of admitting the church’s past and present failures in pastoral care; they desire new ways of being church and being ministers emphasizing welcome and mercy. Then there are those like Cardinal Burke clinging to outdated, indeed harmful, theologies, and more appropriately at times, ideologies, which fail to account for the dignity of every person, the goodness of all families, and modern thought.

For the former group, LGBT advocates should give thanks and build upon this new openness. For the latter, we must pray that God’s Spirit imbues them with the humility and courage called for by the German superiors to enter a new age of confidence in the People of God.

While it is easy, and admittedly quite tempting, to write off Cardinal Burke’s extremist rhetoric, we must remember he and those who follow his leadership are members of our church, too. If we pray that all may be truly welcome, our prayer must include Burke and his followers, even when they carry a damaging extremism. This does not excuse their prejudice, but rather, it should encourage us to re-double our efforts to educate those who are harmed and stunted by homophobia and other damaging prejudices.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: germany; homos; homosexualagenda; sinnod
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“Many gay people aspire to a Christian lifestyle and to lifelong, faithful partnerships, but they cannot accept that the church requires them to remain celibate. More and more Catholics in city parishes no longer think that blessing gay partnerships would push Christian marriage into the closet, the statement said.
1 posted on 03/29/2015 9:24:39 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
These widely divergent statements from the Germans and Burke indicate the growing tension among church leaders on sexuality issues.

Good luck with changing Church Teaching regarding sodomy.

Anyway, there have been dissenting clergy at least since St. Nicolas punched out Arias.

2 posted on 03/29/2015 9:31:56 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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... it is the murderer who can confess her sins and be re-admitted to communion...

True.

But said murderer is also expected to refrain from continuing to commit the sin of murder.

3 posted on 03/29/2015 9:36:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
While it is easy, and admittedly quite tempting, to write off Cardinal Burke’s extremist rhetoric, we must remember he and those who follow his leadership are members of our church, too. If we pray that all may be truly welcome, our prayer must include Burke and his followers, even when they carry a damaging extremism. This does not excuse their prejudice, but rather, it should encourage us to re-double our efforts to educate those who are harmed and stunted by homophobia and other damaging prejudices.

Wow...just wow! The Bible is clear on this on so many fronts. Re-double their efforts, leaves me shaking my head! So now Burke is an extremist, those who follow the Bible are extremist.

4 posted on 03/29/2015 9:36:48 AM PDT by EBH (And the angel poured out his cup...)
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus; Wyrd bið ful aræd; Arthur McGowan; NKP_Vet; nanetteclaret; ...

No, Sir, I’m not.

I can just recognize bad popes and bad councils that are not in accord with Catholic Tradition. This is not the first time in the Church’s history that She has had bad popes. And VC II was purely a pastoral, not dogmatic, council.

“Unveiling a new work on the Second Vatican Council in Rome , Cardinal Walter Brandmuller, the retired president of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences, announced that Vatican II’s decrees on non-Christian religions (Nostra Aetate) and Religious Freedom (Dignitatas Humanae) “do not have a binding doctrinal content, so one can dialogue about them.””


5 posted on 03/29/2015 9:39:43 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: DuncanWaring

That is indeed just it. Repentance...real repentance does mean stopping the sinful behavior.

Be it murder, adultery, sodomy, or anyone of the major cardinal sins. If you can’t stop the sinful behavior then you shouldn’t be taking communion.


6 posted on 03/29/2015 9:41:18 AM PDT by EBH (And the angel poured out his cup...)
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To: ebb tide

More and more, those people are getting closer to going to Hell.

The Church requires celibacy of all non-married people. By that, married means one man and one woman.

We need to pray for these Germans, they really need it.


7 posted on 03/29/2015 9:44:53 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: ebb tide

This was a reply to different thread. My apologies.


8 posted on 03/29/2015 9:44:58 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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I believe the bible says "Love the sinner and HATE the sin" or in some such words. So the church should certainly welcome the sinner but they will never accept the SIN. Therein lies the rub - the Gay Mafia insists they be accepted equally with STRIAGHT married folk.

THAT AIN'T NEVER CHANGING AS LONG AS ONE REMAINS TRUE TO GOD'S WORD.
9 posted on 03/29/2015 9:45:58 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ebb tide

10 posted on 03/29/2015 10:16:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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If you can’t stop the sinful behavior then you shouldn’t be taking communion.

Regarding your "sinful behavior" message, the following quote is from my dictionary ... Sodom and Gomorrah, two neighboring cities burned down "because of the sinfulness of the people." Gen 18-19

Can anyone today justify burning down two cities over a religious belief?

I don't think God would do it.

Would you?

11 posted on 03/29/2015 10:22:39 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: OldNavyVet
I don't think God would do it.

What do you think about the Great Flood?

12 posted on 03/29/2015 10:30:16 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atom-bomb nuked to end WW-II, and Sodom and Gomorrah were probably burned down to end a religious war.

Can you imagine how many innocents were killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

13 posted on 03/29/2015 10:42:38 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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To: xone

This is a caucus thread.


16 posted on 03/29/2015 10:50:53 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: OldNavyVet

You don’t think God would do it?

God has already done it.


17 posted on 03/29/2015 10:59:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Ever heard of Herod’s Slaughter of the Innocents?


18 posted on 03/29/2015 11:07:50 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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19 posted on 03/29/2015 11:13:39 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
What do you think about the Great Flood?

"Flood legends are common in the Middle East. The earliest, that of the epic of Gilgamesh, dates from about the time of the inundation of the Black Sea basin."

Noah's flood was one of them.

Quote is from the book "Darwin's Ghost", by Steve Jones.

20 posted on 03/29/2015 11:16:37 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (http://sunsetridgemsbiology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Darwins+Ghost.pdf)
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