(Catholic) Religious Superiors Call for Rethinking about Gay Couples ... [Catholic Caucus]

New Ways Ministry ^ | March 28, 2015 | Bob Shine

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“Many gay people aspire to a Christian lifestyle and to lifelong, faithful partnerships, but they cannot accept that the church requires them to remain celibate. More and more Catholics in city parishes no longer think that blessing gay partnerships would push Christian marriage into the closet, the statement said.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

These widely divergent statements from the Germans and Burke indicate the growing tension among church leaders on sexuality issues.

Good luck with changing Church Teaching regarding sodomy.

Anyway, there have been dissenting clergy at least since St. Nicolas punched out Arias.

[DuncanWaring]

... it is the murderer who can confess her sins and be re-admitted to communion...

True.

But said murderer is also expected to refrain from continuing to commit the sin of murder.

[EBH]

While it is easy, and admittedly quite tempting, to write off Cardinal Burke’s extremist rhetoric, we must remember he and those who follow his leadership are members of our church, too. If we pray that all may be truly welcome, our prayer must include Burke and his followers, even when they carry a damaging extremism. This does not excuse their prejudice, but rather, it should encourage us to re-double our efforts to educate those who are harmed and stunted by homophobia and other damaging prejudices.

Wow...just wow! The Bible is clear on this on so many fronts. Re-double their efforts, leaves me shaking my head! So now Burke is an extremist, those who follow the Bible are extremist.

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No, Sir, I’m not.

I can just recognize bad popes and bad councils that are not in accord with Catholic Tradition. This is not the first time in the Church’s history that She has had bad popes. And VC II was purely a pastoral, not dogmatic, council.

“Unveiling a new work on the Second Vatican Council in Rome , Cardinal Walter Brandmuller, the retired president of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences, announced that Vatican II’s decrees on non-Christian religions (Nostra Aetate) and Religious Freedom (Dignitatas Humanae) “do not have a binding doctrinal content, so one can dialogue about them.””

[EBH]

That is indeed just it. Repentance...real repentance does mean stopping the sinful behavior.

Be it murder, adultery, sodomy, or anyone of the major cardinal sins. If you can’t stop the sinful behavior then you shouldn’t be taking communion.

[SpirituTuo]

More and more, those people are getting closer to going to Hell.

The Church requires celibacy of all non-married people. By that, married means one man and one woman.

We need to pray for these Germans, they really need it.

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This was a reply to different thread. My apologies.

[Cheerio]

I believe the bible says "Love the sinner and HATE the sin" or in some such words. So the church should certainly welcome the sinner but they will never accept the SIN. Therein lies the rub - the Gay Mafia insists they be accepted equally with STRIAGHT married folk.

THAT AIN'T NEVER CHANGING AS LONG AS ONE REMAINS TRUE TO GOD'S WORD.

[Travis McGee]

[OldNavyVet]

If you can’t stop the sinful behavior then you shouldn’t be taking communion.

Regarding your "sinful behavior" message, the following quote is from my dictionary ... Sodom and Gomorrah, two neighboring cities burned down "because of the sinfulness of the people." Gen 18-19

Can anyone today justify burning down two cities over a religious belief?

I don't think God would do it.

Would you?

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I don't think God would do it.

What do you think about the Great Flood?

[OldNavyVet]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atom-bomb nuked to end WW-II, and Sodom and Gomorrah were probably burned down to end a religious war.

Can you imagine how many innocents were killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

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This is a caucus thread.

[DuncanWaring]

You don’t think God would do it?

God has already done it.

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Ever heard of Herod’s Slaughter of the Innocents?

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[OldNavyVet]

What do you think about the Great Flood?

"Flood legends are common in the Middle East. The earliest, that of the epic of Gilgamesh, dates from about the time of the inundation of the Black Sea basin."

Noah's flood was one of them.

Quote is from the book "Darwin's Ghost", by Steve Jones.