Has anyone seen the host that turns into flesh and then back. It’s been tested also and they said it was from a man that suffered greatly and was under stress. Perhaps you are referring to the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanicano.
Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.
During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.
The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.
The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.
Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.
In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.
The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
- The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
- The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
- The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
- In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
- The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.
- The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
- In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
- In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
- The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.
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Fig. 1 - Eosine x 200. Overall histological aspect of a Flesh sample with fibers collected in bundles with longitudinal orientation as it occurs in the outer surface layers of the heart.
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Fig. 2 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 250. An artery and, very close, a branch of the vagal nerve.
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Fig. 3 - Miracle Heart in Lanciano. Mallory x 400. Evidence of the "Rough" aspect of the endocardium; the syncytoid structure of the myocardial tissue
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Fig. 4 - Elution-absorption test x 80. Above: Hemagglutination test on blood sample in Lanciano: on the left, anti A serum used; on the right, anti-B serum. Below: hemoagglutination test on a Flesh sample in Lanciano: left, with anti-A serum, right,with anti-B serum. It appears thus that the Flesh and the Blood in Lanciano belong to AB blood group.
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Fig. 5 - Electro-phoretic pattern of Blood proteins (Cromoscan photometer). The profile of serum fractions is normal and superimposable to that of a fresh serum sample.
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In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
In conclusion, it may be said that Science, when called upon to testify, has given a certain and thorough response as regards the authenticity of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
No, it may not.
It is far from being yet established that there was any real "science" at all.
We have the word of the one researcher, who though otherwise perhaps clinically qualified, is alleged to have had but one other individual assisting himself, with there having been no other tests conducted either before or since...
It doesn't help one bit that the alleged finding was published in Italian, and has yet to be made accessible in English --- which is the language of science, in this day and age.
Then there is the mysterious "WHO" document said to exist -- and which is quoted from in part --- BUT NEVER shown in what context the quote comes from, etc. The more I dig into this, the further from being conviced I become skeptical...and I'm one of those that ten thousand horses couldn't drag me to deny the truth of Scripture, and that the one we know of in the English language as Jesus Christ was indeed who the New Testament indicates He said He was, and who the disciples said He was (and still is) for flesh and blood (alone) did not reveal it to me...or else I would have no reason to not doubt.
The man who published the alleged results --- is part of a Vatican-controlled commission which "investigates" such alleged miracles -- correct? Or he at least was, if he is still alive...
That leaves him, in this regard at least, to be something else OTHER than a neutral, thus truly "scientific" observer.
Whatever it is -- do not use that word "science" and/or "proof" in regards to this Lanciano "thing".
If it be such a sure thing -- then why has such claimed to be so extensive work not been replicated?
Surely something along lines of a fairly unobtrusive "blood" sampling using pipettes -- sealed by a variety of witnesses -- then perhaps sent to a variety of labs for testing could be done?
It would not take much of the substance, whatever it is, to replicate parts of the prior alleged tests. Doing so would remove all doubts, and fairly well rock the world.
But no, the Vatican is always all-controlling, and tweaks and manipulates, leaving those whom would have doubts concerning these type of claims have those doubts all but entirely confirmed. It is as if "they" would prefer unbelievers to become even more hostile, by design.
The Lord Himself, once one encounters His Spirit, is so strikingly different than those whom claim He left them in charge, it leaves those whom have encountered Him elsewhere, other than within the narrow confines of Roman Catholicism, with the conclusion that the RCC is up to it's old tricks, with fakes and frauds on the right and the left, which when challenged are found covered up with dusty layers of misdirection and spurious, difficult to investigate claims.
It happens at seemingly each and every juncture wherein there arises that which comes into conflict with the Scriptures themselves, once those are well enough understood in the contexts in which they arose (and what the words would have meant to those to whom they were sent...).
It matters little to nothing that there are many who believe it truly is the blood of Christ --- since we have the word of but one researcher, and himself a believing Roman Catholic, and the testing conducted in Italy, under the guidance of the RCC -- with no outsiders there to establish chain-of-custody for the material themselves, etc.
A decent lawyer could get the so-called evidence you've listed thrown out of most any court in the United States due to the inherent conflicts of interest, and the chain of custody problem. You didn't even bother to give us a link to whatever Roman Catholic fan-boiy webpage you copied the info from.
WHat's up with that? It's like --- wherever anyone looks into this issue, the primary documentation has been made to be as difficult as possible to ferret out, and that is seemingly continued by the "true believers' whom breathlessly repeat what is found on other web pages -- but never show the source(s). Then, when one digs far enough to go after the primary documents -- they are not available other than by way of "image" from a book, or else in a pdf behind a PubMed paywall --- with all of that still Italian, and not easily translatable into English -- thus open for examination.
That the info is getting old, and the researcher unreachable --- and there is no record available for other alleged commentary associated with this (including possible questions and or possible points of order raised by those within the scientific community) makes it appear as if there truly is something to hide --- even as what is desired by many to be believed, is put forward.
That kind of methodology is not science, although it is reminiscent of the Rossi fraud type of "science".
What is it with those eye-talians anyway? The entire nation seems more than half-full of crooks, criminals and frauds. The home of the famiglia... I feel sorry for whatever otherwise decent folks live there and have had to put up with the ongoing and varied corruptions for who knows how long now, perhaps since the Empire of Rome....
Speaking of chain-of custody, although this alleged miracle is said to date back into, what is it -- the 9th century, as a few of the "true believer" Roman Catholic pages would have it? -- but --- actual history dating back that far is impossible to establish in anything resembling scholarly documentary fashion, with the oldest extant writings (or even mention) dating back only as far as the late Middle Ages. Isn't that so? If not -- prove otherwise, or this point I raise will stand.
There are (or once were?) a few other instances of similar miraculous "Eucharist" blood and/or flesh crop up in the same time frame (a matter a 20-30 years or so) in other areas nearby to this Lanciano (or Laniciano as it sometimes spelled).
That these first find their way into the records near simultaneously --- at just the time in European history when alchemists were at their busiest in experimentation, leaves the door wide open to needing conclude that something alone those lines was the true origins, being that the RCC has seeming a thousand ways to make their own resistance to there being anything approaching openly verifiable testing done. If it's not one excuse or set of reasons -- it's 3 others.
Whatever it is, until there is actual testing done which is verifiable by outside & neutral sources --- don't call it science.
So far, what has transpired, cheapens the name of science, while doing injury to the name of Jesus, also.
Can you establish an proof of chain-of-custody for what was allegedly examined?
It get's even worse when one looks into the back-story for this Lanciano (or Laniciano) "Eucharist miracle" said to date to the 9th century or so...for other than claims that it goes that far back, there are no actual evidences it exited until much later. OR -- feel free to prove otherwise, but bring the proof HERE, in English, with links to whatever sources you are using.
The entire affair smacks of just another in a long line of frauds perpetrated by the RCC.