Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Ah know.
I agree, and I find it interesting that those who claim to be religious experts are so determined to split the Christians.
I know some bishops that would have that priest removed from any active ministry...
And I also know many priests that are in open dissent against the Church. Priests are only supposed to teach what, where, and how the local bishop says, since the bishop is the primary teacher in the diocese.
Guess this one is binding.....
Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother.
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE ROSARY
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_22091891_octobri-mense.html
“... I approach Christ though His Word...No room (no need) for rosary beads, icons, madonnas, and other add-ons.”
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
John 19:27
The disciple had room for her in his own household.
I agree, but that does not make it right or spiritually profitable.. BTW my church does not
Matthew 6: 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
But you toss the word "believers" around too casually.
And you deny believers are saved and have accepted Christ simply because you don't like where they worship.
Let me ask you this, where does Jesus tell believers to go and erect stone edifices dedicated to him? Where does he talk about establishing theological seminaries? Are they Scriptural?
There are churches built around one scripture or section of the Word and they all believe they have the "corner" on salvation. I tell you bunkum.
You're going to be surprised who you sit next to in Heaven.
Neither does mine. But all churches are guilty of non-scriptural practices. All of them.
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
The Rosary is a good practice, and Pope Leo XIII recognizes this, but nothing from a encyclical makes one’s salvation dependent on it.
You seem to think we act as Kantians under a Categorical Imperative, i.e. that a good practice, something that you would will everyone to do, becomes a moral imperative. That is not the case for Catholics. We don’t think that way.
We would do well to do what the Pope says, but we will not go to hell if we don’t. So no... not binding.
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. “This, then, is how you should pray: “ ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread.m Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
. The next topic is fasting and the message is parallel re. hypocrisy.
For me, the Lord's Prayer is a model prayer. Certainly, there's nothing wrong with praying scripture. It is a blessing to do so. There are many other scriptural prayers that can be recited.
I see the Lord's Prayer as a model. "...pray like (ESV) (houtōs) this..." The word means: in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): — after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like(-wise), no more, on this fashion(-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
There's a pattern to follow: who are you addressing? what are His qualifications? what is your relationship to Him? what's YOUR condition? what is the status of your relationship to your neighbor? And much more!
It's when the prayer becomes rote ("babbling"-NIV) that it becomes meaningless. Others have made note of this point beforehand.
Is there any recorded example where anyone prays the Lord's Prayer- verbatim, in any letter or epistle?
THAT IS NOT TO SAY we should not recite the Lord's Prayer but there are many recorded prayers after Christ gives the model - and they are all inspired and all beautiful! (Amen?)
I agree. "Scripture cannot be broken" and that is how to make sense of those two verses.
One has only to read the RF to know that's not true.
Ours sure doesn't. Repeating scripture is not prayer. Saying these words to the Lord in faith is interpreted by the Lord as He will. Teaching to pray in vain repetition, to Mary, now that's just bad.
I did that. That's why this forum dismays me. I hope that you do the same.
I have to go. I hope your day is blessed.
You had a priest who has gone off the reservation if he taught Mary had children. Glad there is some sanity in catholicisim somewhere.
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