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No sprinklers required: How my church kept homeless people off church steps
cruxnow ^ | March 19, 2015 | Linda Kaufman

Posted on 03/20/2015 6:11:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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Tip o' the hat to these Methodists and Episcopalians. Looks like they found a Christlike solution. Comment?
1 posted on 03/20/2015 6:11:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

According to the Church, the sprinklers were designed to wash away feces and needles left by the indigent. Sadly, they have been portrayed as being used to shoo away homeless.

It is good the priestess is helping, but she can do so without telling tales.


2 posted on 03/20/2015 6:15:21 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: DaveMSmith; ansel12; Vendome; soycd; A Formerly Proud Canadian; A CA Guy; nickcarraway; ...

Your thoughts?


3 posted on 03/20/2015 6:17:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: SpirituTuo
I'm not sure about that "washing away feces" angle.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3269439/posts?q=1&;page=21

From the previous article, it said there were no drains, and the filthy water just puddled on the pavement.

4 posted on 03/20/2015 6:20:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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Churches of ALL denominations provide services for the poor. Finding a way to keep vagrants from urinating and deficating on church property is not cruel. These people could utilize church services properly, but instead choose to literally crap on them. Bottom line, it’s a biohazard.


5 posted on 03/20/2015 6:23:53 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Now if the (formerly) mainstream denominations - chief among them The Episcopal Church - would place themselves under the authority of Scripture and reject their unabashed promotion of the murder of unborn children.


6 posted on 03/20/2015 6:28:07 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Nice! Good work!


7 posted on 03/20/2015 6:59:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Your thoughts?”

I still think the Kenyan anti-Christ’s drone policies have a place somehow in all of this.


8 posted on 03/20/2015 7:15:15 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Churches of ALL denominations provide services for the poor. Finding a way to keep vagrants from urinating and deficating on church property is not cruel. These people could utilize church services properly, but instead choose to literally crap on them. Bottom line, it’s a biohazard.

Agree on all counts. The church my family and I have attended the last 17 years has a BENEVOLENCE COMITTEE for matters such as those described above. I personally am not involved in it, personally know a few of the folks who are. They truly do God's work in helping those who've exhausted all other resources and simply need a hand-up to get back on their feet.

Our benevolence committee has helped find people jobs, housing, get home to their families, helped folks with medical needs, assisted families during transition from losing their home to finding new, affordable housing, fixed more cars of Single Mom's or bought them better cars when necessary than I can count, helped Military Families of our church (and the community) meet their financial needs during long deployments, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

It's heartbreaking to see so many needs and people literally getting down to their absolute last resort of asking our benevolence committee for help. I have much admiration for the folks who sit on that committee, especially for the times they have to say NO to someone. Fortunately it's a rare occurrence, but some do try abusing the Church's good will.

Our benevolence committee never asks for repayment however some folks once back on their feet do try to pay back some or all of the gift they were given. Others we simply ask to help pay it forward when they can. It's really amazing to see how that works. So many folks that our benevolence committee has helped are the first to come forward when someone in the same position they were in needs help. Even if for nothing else to have a sympathetic ear and to be an example to others that they can make it through their trying time.

I think at the end of the day, that's how it's supposed to work and hopefully our Lord is proud.

9 posted on 03/20/2015 7:29:25 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I always put the safety of the children and widows over the wants of those with mental or drug issues.


10 posted on 03/20/2015 7:30:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is how it should be - people dealing with people as they see fit, no government involvement whatsoever.

It would be advisable, however, if Churches didn’t spray cold water on the homeless in the middle of cold nights, as was done in SF. I would imagine that the reason that was done there was precisely because it was the Archibishop’s church and thus entirely political and cut off from the involvement of the parishoner’s personal involvement.

Whenever Important People get involved in things, they always seem to decide that violence and punishment are the answer. Maybe that’s why Jesus enacted humility, because that’s where compassion comes from.


11 posted on 03/20/2015 7:33:51 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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well..hmm...first of all “having coffee and discussing” issues with these homeless people probably did a couple of things: Homeless people engaged because they were getting free stuff. I don’t want to be cynical but the problems for the homeless aren’t going to be solved in the long run by these types of tactics. Odds are that most of these who were supposedly helped are just sleeping on someone else’s doorsteps. What really drove them away from the church is the apparent news that they will call the police IF you don’t leave.


12 posted on 03/20/2015 7:34:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Shop Owner Installs Booby Trap Shower to Stop People Peeing In Alley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnOmxR_qQ_Q


13 posted on 03/20/2015 9:09:14 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Nice success story. It sounds like most of the homeless needed just a little help and understanding to get back on their feet. Proverbs 15:1


14 posted on 03/20/2015 9:12:59 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Thanks for the ping.

Treating people in a humane way is the solution. Indeed Christ-like.

16 posted on 03/21/2015 2:40:54 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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Sorry to be a bit cynical here. I salute the efforts of the church to positively encourage these people to re-enter productive society However their problem was ever so much worse before the neighborhood became gentrified and the majority of the homeless moved to other locales

The DC Government is a Socialist tide pool of corruption and inefficiency which runs through all of their welfare programs. The area churches do good work but have limited resources


17 posted on 03/21/2015 2:52:09 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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And you know really, if a helpless newborn baby is left at the church door, what would be done? I believe similar consideration should be made for a hopeless and helpless adult.

There are many times where beggars and homeless are spoken about in the Bible - some lame - some insane (like the man who lived in the tombs). Jesus was right there. He fed the multitudes. He healed. He asked questions. That's Who I follow.

18 posted on 03/21/2015 2:59:07 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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Our church is doing a lot of work with at-risk teens. Both starting programs in the public schools, and we have our own high school. Which just expanded to another church - different denomination. Cool stuff.

But they saw how these kids were just going back home to a family that used drugs and to neighborhood kids that used drugs. Or to the street because they didn’t want to be around their druggie parents in their effort to go to school and stay clean.

The dream of the church was to buy some older houses next to the church. We put together an ambitious plan - to buy all six homes (sixties era ramblers) on the small block and
create housing for the kids. I think the plan was to buy two at first, and then hope for the remaining to come up for sale over the next 8 years or something. But spaced far enough apart so that we could afford to buy them.

Well, three of them came up for sale around the same time. Gulp. But the church came through and lots of people came through and we bought them. And within the next year the other three came up on the market, and somehow folks came through again.

So now there are two boys homes and two girls homes (six kids each, and each home with a young married couple acting as parents.) The two other homes are being used for housing for a couple of our pastors, with the understanding that when the resources are available, those two will be converted for the kids.

The ultimate plan is to build a new housing facility on the block.

It is pretty amazing to hear the kid’s stories. Unbelievable how brave they are sometimes in telling them. Booze at 10, drugs at 11, prostituting themselves at 13, etc. And now they are clean, in school and getting decent grades. but most importantly that they know they are loved by God, and loved by others, and that they love God. Each and every one of their stories is a miracle.


19 posted on 03/21/2015 3:15:26 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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Always amazes me when a church sets almost impossible goals that come to fruition. What a challenge your church took on. With God all things are possible. Love your story and what you are doing for these teens!


20 posted on 03/21/2015 3:30:21 AM PDT by bonfire
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