Posted on 03/18/2015 6:21:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
SNERK, if it makes your day a little brighter to believe that hooey, you just go right ahead. The rest of us will find comfort in the truth.
This is why you fail. This is an incorrect understanding of the Church which I'm sure was taught to you by those who stand against the Church and your statement here only serves to perpetuate the lie.
The Church lays Her authority first on Christ as She is His Bride. Just as He opened the eyes of the Apostles on the Road to Emmaus, He taught the Apostles how to understand Scripture in light of the Gospel. This is the Deposit of Faith (Big "T" Tradition). Scripture is the inerrant Word of God, written. However, just like the Apostles needed explanation to see what had been hidden in the Old Testament since the dawn of time, so the Church has endeavored to explain through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit what is written for unity of faith through unity of understanding. Finally, the Church relies in the Holy Spirit Who was promised to teach Her all things by Christ. Through this inspiration, the Church has learned and taught an unfolding revelation She has shared. This is the Magisterium of the Church.
One way to look at it is that Scripture is the foundation, Tradition is the perspective to understand Scripture, and the Magisterium is the ear to hear the Spirit as He teaches us all things.
Sure it is pgyanke. That's why even the Catholic Church itself has to admit that some of it's teachings have no basis is scripture. The so called "tradition" of the Catholic Church trumps scripture.
Torah observant Jews believe in both a oral and written Torah; praying for the dead is an ancient custom, as I have posted. To write it is not observed by Jews or Israelites who follow Torah is false. It is commonly observed by Jews and Israelites who follow Torah, ie., Orthodox Jews.
Show me in Torah where prayers for the dead are offered?
If I could, would you offer prayers for the dead ?
150 psalms recorded and not one plea for the dead.
Are you positive ?
This is a dead issue.
Well, it is about the dead so this is true.
You mean like the life stories of Anna and Mary? The Bible isn't their story... but they each have a story that matters in unfolding revelation. Mary's story was passed through St John (who took Mary into his home at the direction of Christ on the Cross) and down through his disciples. The Bible itself declares it is not a catechism of all things (John 21:25). It tells the story of our Fall and Redemption. However, there are still stories out there that are real.
If we believe we are in the communion of saints, then you would have to admit that every saint has a beautiful story of God's providence. We only know these stories because they have been preserved and passed on... and they are profound. Non biblical, yes... but profound and instructive.
The so called "tradition" of the Catholic Church trumps scripture.
Again you spout a lie, despite all evidence to the contrary. The Church has never relegated Scripture to second place. However, Scripture requires the Church as teacher to fully understand it (Acts 8:26-40, 2 Peter 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20, 1 Tim 3:15).
If that stopped you, your sola scriptura foundation would disappear.
Yes, I know. Does this mean that you acknowledge Torah observant Jews offer prayers for the dead and that now you are going to attack them because both the Orthodox Christians and their elder brethren, Orthodox Jews (often even nonOthodox Jews also say Kaddish for departed close relatives) offer prayers for the dead while Protestants and all their derivatives do not ?
And rather than trust the Holy Spirit to have included all we need to know they took the liberty to make the rest up.>[? >>However, there are still stories out there that are real.<<
So Catholics have to put their full faith and trust in fallible man rather than trust the Holy Spirit to have included all we need.
>>We only know these stories because they have been preserved and passed on... and they are profound.<< >>The Church has never relegated Scripture to second place.<<
Of course they have. Scripture takes second place to many of the teachings of the Catholic Church. The importance of the doctrines regarding Mary would be just one of the examples.
Still can't grasp what Sola Scriptura actually means ey.
Please show where God sanctioned praying for the dead.
If I do, will you pray for the dead, or will you seek another path to attack the Orthodox, Jews and Christians ? Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes? He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
John, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses twenty six to twenty Deneb,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
There have not been true Torah observant Israelites since the era of Ezra. Jesus preached from Torah and not the traditions of men. He made every opportunity to condemn the Pharisees of their man-made traditions.
Again, what prophet, psalmist, king in the OT provides us the doctrine for praying for the departed?
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Keep on yelping!
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Literally it means scripture alone or only.
As a doctrine? Depends on who you ask.
If that definition includes: "Scripture is sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine" then that doctrine fails its own test.
If it doesn't mean that, then those who claim it as their foundational doctrine don't have much of a foundation in sola scriptura.
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Let that boy save himself!
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There is no point to our conversation. No matter what I respond, you will continue to attack your own straw men.
May God bless you. Good day.
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We can only separate our selves, and many here are working on that task constantly.
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