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To: Mrs.Z; amessenger4god; All
Mrs.Z, I notice you haven’t had anything more to say about Ephraem of Syria. You stressed it quite a bit, and so did amessenger4god in the lead article.

Now, I don’t think Ephraem is such a big deal myself, as there is something like 20 or more witnesses from the ECF that most emphatically contradict the notion that the early centuries of Christianity support a pretrib rapture. Just the opposite is true, virtually EVERY witness from those early centuries witness for a singular rapture/2nd coming event. Your Ephraem of Syria being the ONLY exception...and a very poor one at that.

It is thus no wonder you and amessenger4god focus so much attention on Ephraem, as also other pretribs.

As I have tried to point out, Ephraem is not all that great a witness for your case, it turns out. See my posts 77 and 82. I quoted from Bob Gundry in post 82 on “true” Ephraem and “false” Ephraem.” I continue where I left off:

“According to true Ephraem, “there is nothing remaining except that the coming of our enemy the Antichrist be revealed (Sermon on Asceticism).

Ephraem warns ‘us’ Christians against the Antichrist BECAUSE THE ANTICHRIST WILL COME BEFORE THE CHRIST (Sermon on the End and the Consummation, the Judgment and the Reward, and on Gog and Magog, and on the False Messiah 433-40)...Ephraem goes on to describe as our hope the coming of Christ AFTER the tribulation (ibid. 94).” [my caps]

Now, be honest Mrs.Z and amessenger4god, and every other pretrib, midtrib, or prewrath rapturist that reads this, and believes Ephraem to be historical evidence for your case, does THIS sound like Ephraem supports your views?

121 posted on 03/13/2015 4:14:51 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas; Mrs.Z; amessenger4god

It’s Jesus and that apostles that taught the “catching up” of believers prior to the seven year tribulation. All others either agree with them or don’t.


122 posted on 03/13/2015 4:29:22 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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