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To: Steelfish

So some theologists convert—that isn’t a “movement”- it’s more a statement of their lost faith. Pay to play is quite appealing. Luther was right. And so was Cromwell.

Before the Bible there was the Church? That’s a good one— there was no Old Testament? And Jesus formed the Catholic Church, did He? Don’t think so, despite all the teachings. There is, after all Greek Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, etc. Jesus would be first to deride the “moneychangers”. But that is an age-old conflict between the court jews and other “banks” of the euro-states (you know people like the Holy Roman Emperors and the monarchies we escaped).

A simple perusal of the Reformation would put pay to the “our way or the highway” mentality.

Thank God for the United States of America and the deist Founders who saw the wisdom of freedom of religion, and freedom from established religion— freedom from ANY of the sects you listed, including the europolitical religious swamps that embroiled our young nation then as it does now. That said, even disparate sects can unite around the concept of freedom vs. islamofascism since islam kills infidels, and especially any Christian. The sects cannot unite with the new world socialism posited by Francis. Can appreciate catholic need to feel as one- after so many scandals and purposeful house cleaning. As one who despises the spiritual abuse of any emotionally needy person by any so-called “person” of the cloth- it’s understandable there is a need for positive PR for the roman church. It’s what they do— evangelize for the world church and world govt.

In Hoc Signo Vinces exists in other Christian denominations,Constantine’s vision aside. Deo Vindice. Et Lux Aeterna.


13 posted on 03/12/2015 10:48:15 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

The fruits of the Reformation were division and violence. Luther was a very gift theologian and writer, but if he had been put to death as Huss was, Christendom might have been spared more than a hundred years of bloodletting and lasting hatred, and the kind of political division that almost allowed Europe to be overwhelmed by the Turk. That said, only God knows why he was spared. Perhaps some greater evil might have occurred if he had not.


18 posted on 03/13/2015 12:19:17 AM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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