Posted on 03/08/2015 10:34:58 AM PDT by RaceBannon
....And PLEASE, do not call the RCC a cult. The Roman Catholic Church IS a CHURCH and is also part of the family tree called the Christian faith.
Yes, I’ve read this nonsense a thousand times before.
“Peter = 4074 petroj Petros pet’-ros apparently a primary word; TDNT - 6:100,835; n pr m AV - Peter 161, stone 1; 162 Peter = “a rock or a stone” 1) one of the twelve disciples of Jesus
rock = 4073 petra petra pet’-ra from the same as 4074; TDNT - 6:95,834; n f AV - rock 16; 16 1) a rock, cliff or ledge 1a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground 1b) a rock, a large stone 1c) metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul”
There is no reason for Christ to Give Peter his new name and then use the SAME term to refer to himself, in a sentence structure that makes NO SENSE in ANY language.
New tagline.
That is why I post a few posts and that is it.
Because you become a new person with a name change.
YOPIOS.
From Catholic.com, a few more clues to your error:
Matt. 14:23-27: St. Peter is uniquely empowered by Jesus to walk on water, and when his faith begins to falter, our Lord does not allow him to go under. This is a prelude to Jesus promising to give his authority that can never fail to Peter in Matt. 16. The gift of the papacy is here assured not to depend upon the person of St. Peter or of his successors, but on the promise and power of Christ.
Matt. 17:24-27: After receiving the promise of authority in Matt. 16, St. Peter is once again given supernatural power to provide for both himself and Jesus when the first-century equivalent of the I.R.S. comes calling! Peter acts as Christ’s “vicar” or in the place of Jesus in miraculous fashion guaranteed by Jesus not to fail.
Using the term YOUPIOS in regards to the lead posting.
Opps! I meant YOPIOS.
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”
Wouldn’t Christ have said “and upon you I will build my church”? or something along those lines?
This is the clue to your (and sadly, far too many others') error...
Error appealing to error does not make truth.
Sorry.
Hoss
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”
On the other hand, wouldn’t Christ have said something like “and upon you I will build my church”?
He Did!
That’s how pronouns work.
The SOURCE is SCRIPTURE!
Matt. 14:23-27: St. Peter is uniquely empowered by Jesus to walk on water, and when his faith begins to falter, our Lord does not allow him to go under. This is a prelude to Jesus promising to give his authority that can never fail to Peter in Matt. 16. The gift of the papacy is here assured not to depend upon the person of St. Peter or of his successors, but on the promise and power of Christ.
Matt. 17:24-27: After receiving the promise of authority in Matt. 16, St. Peter is once again given supernatural power to provide for both himself and Jesus when the first-century equivalent of the I.R.S. comes calling! Peter acts as Christ’s “vicar” or in the place of Jesus in miraculous fashion guaranteed by Jesus not to fail.
Argue with THAT!
You know that Jesus did not speak English and that the Bible is a translation? Trying to parse God’s will and biblical history on the basis of pronouns and emphasis rather than totality of context is not the way to go.
Besides, the only reason this is a discussion is because Catholic haters are trying to change the history of the church. The church that Peter built, the Catholic Church, was founded by Christ, through Peter. Catholic haters had better find another reason to hate.
And we Catholics have the closest, most personal relationship possible with Our Lord, Jesus Christ, this side of Heaven in the sacrament of the Eucharist (John 6).
Surely you are not claiming that God was not in the habit of anointing and appointing leaders? The Old Testament is full of such appointments. And if Jesus did not appoint Peter, to whom did Jesus give the keys of the kingdom? Who has them?
Christ did give the mantle of leadership to Peter. That much is not in question. Peter took over as head of the Church. That’s the way Jesus set it up.
However, Peter is not the rock Christ is referring to. Jesus is the firm, never moving rock. Not some fallible man.
The real problem with Catholicism isn’t Peter, it’s Linus I.
After Peter died Linus claimed to be the head of the Church. Only problem is, there was still a living Apostle on the earth during this time; John. John was next in line and was the true leader of the Church not Linus.
Linus didn’t continue Christ’s Church, he created his own in the eyes of God.
Even while Linus was claiming to lead the church, Jesus appeared to John and spoke to him face to face. Jesus never appeared to Linus ever. And that’s a fact.
Jesus’ appearance to John proves John’s authority in the eyes of God.
Go for it, I don’t need a Pope to know Christ, only He and His Holy Spirit.
Made possibly by simple faith.
I feel like you’re not picking up on my sarcasm. Regardless, St. Peter, pray for us!
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