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To: af_vet_1981

**To me, she is the holy, blessed, and faithful Virgin of Israel and spiritual mother to every disciple that Jesus loves.**

See, there you go, giving her a status that isn’t scriptural. When people are born of the Spirit, they are born of God, not born of Mary.

**It seems to me you aver the Messiah did build his church on the Apostle Cephas.**

Just like Paul, Peter (Cephas) says that Jesus Christ is the “chief corner stone”. (1Peter 2:6).

**I love and honor her.**

Nothing wrong with that. I do as well. It’s the make believe stuff your organization has said about her: ‘immaculate conception’, ‘forever a virgin’, ‘Queen of Heaven’, ‘Co-Redemptrix’, ‘Mother Of God’, etc.

God has no mother, no beginning or ending. “Wherefore when He cometh into the world, he saith,” (Jesus Christ, whose goings forth have been from old, said to God the Father) “Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.” Heb. 10:5

God the Father made Christ’s body in Mary’s womb. Mary didn’t make the soul or the Spirit that dwelled in that body. And Peter (Cephas) said, “..God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, BOTH Lord and Christ.

God made Jesus Lord and Christ, not Mary. Being chosen to carry the tabernacle of flesh, that the Son would dwell in, was a blessed honor. I simply don’t give credit for making more of God, for that is not possible.

**Whence cometh hatred of the woman ?**

Because I disagree with your traditions, I’m a hater? Are you a Democrat, that accuses hate or racism, when disagreeing with the prez?

**Where are Moses and Elijah (not to mention other saints raised from the dead) ?**

Did Jesus tell you to pray to Moses or Elijah?


95 posted on 03/16/2015 8:04:22 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
See, there you go, giving her a status that isn’t scriptural.

Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you. But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
John, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses twenty three to twenty seven,
First Corinthians, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses fourteen to twenty one,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

96 posted on 03/17/2015 7:10:50 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Zuriel
Just like Paul, Peter (Cephas) says that Jesus Christ is the “chief corner stone”. (1Peter 2:6).

Cephas is the Apostle to the Circumcision. Messiah founded the holy catholic apostolic church on Cephas as well. Messiah is the chief cornerstone of that foundation, which also consists of the historical Jewish apostles and prophets.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Matthew, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seventeen to nineteen,
Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses eleven to twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

97 posted on 03/17/2015 7:28:01 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Zuriel
**Where are Moses and Elijah (not to mention other saints raised from the dead) ?**

Did Jesus tell you to pray to Moses or Elijah?

Where are Moses and Elijah (not to mention other saints raised from the dead) ?

And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the Lord God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.

And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
First Kings, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verse one,
Second Kings, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verse ten,
Revelation, Catholic chapter eleven in its entirety, as authorized, but not authored, by King James

98 posted on 03/17/2015 7:51:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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